Why I dont support femminism as an AFAB/Transman

[FlowerLurker]

as a trans man myself, I wholeheartedly agree. feminism is one-cis-gender-centered movement, it does not advocate for equality and doesn't help nor cis or trans people. it also excludes nonbinary and over all queer people, as well as denies everyone agency.

[FlowerLurker]

Feminism is the most stupidest thing to have come out of the 20th century men and women are deferent on many fundamental things.
And is part of the reason why pedophillia is hated and detested.
The hatred really only started come out when the feminist of the 60s and 70s gain momentum.
And now a days all men are basically pedophiles to them.

well there is a biological difference between male, female and intersex, and I'm not talking about gender, I'm talking about genitals and overall biology, the body shape, the voice, etc. sure there are people who without HRT or anything like that still sound very gender-ambiguous, + there are intersex people which are criminally disregarded all the time.

all of the differences outside of biology are just gender stereotypes, which do much, MUCH more harm than good, in fact, the only good I see in gender stereotypes is that it may make a trans person happy if they express themselves in some certain way. but it's a consequence of having the stereotypes, not a reason. we have gender stereotypes, 80% of human population thinks that there are only two genders and sexes...

there's also an issue regarding gender non-conformity. currently, the wave of gender stereotypes break affects only cis women, completely disregarding cis men, as well as over all trans and intersex people to that. which doesn't really help the issue all that much for it really works only for one gender only, while others are getting mixed with shit and hated upon, especially male sex and/or gender, systemic and normalized in social culture misandry proves it painfully so.

so what am I getting at...

ah, yes

there are differences in biology, yes, but those differences are 1. not so black and white 2. not so significant. they were hyperbolized by gender stereotypes and upon them those gender stereotypes were built. gender stereotypes don't do anyone justice except for providing some trans people some gender euphoria, which is great but also sad in a way (saying it as a trans man myself). 3. pedophilia hatred is a complex thing that comes from more awareness about children safety, desire to make the world a bit of a better place, as well as feminist hysteria about any men, and of course gender stereotypes that perpetuate the idea of a cis man being an inherently violent predatory creature, which will harm both adult and not adult cis women. which is of course bullshit, no gender or sex are inherently evil, and pedophilia is not a horrible demonic curse that only makes everyone's life worse. i wish people moved past that anti-pedo hysteria already.

lords i yapped soooo much... sorry.

[Curson]

Well I, for one, look forward to society not being controlled by the whims of certain women and men putting down others for not conforming to the mold that we have to date people we don't like, we won't want to be around, or those we don't even relate to. Like how did society survive for this long if we can't agree that we are human beings that aren't all the same and make mistakes and grow as people?

[gartellito]

As a trans woman, this is really just ridiculous. Even the slightest look at an author like Julia Serano would dispell these concerns. This is really the only kind of discussion you can have if you want to completely ignore the issues faced by women, and in particular, only focus on the sex-negative branches of feminism which expressly are pushed against by sex workers, transfeminist women, etc. Any transfeminist will tell you that there is a portion of feminists who are extremely negative towards sex and, in large part, demonize 'male anatomy' as a battering ram against trans women. You're really throwing the baby out with the bathwater here, as if every damn part of every damn movement for decades hasn't explicitly hated us pedos.

Read Serano. Get back to me.

This poster is correct. I think you, OP, have a very warped view of feminism because of how the subject has been bastardized by the liberal mainstream... As do may people in this thread, it seems, who are basing their conceptions of feminism on vague ideas of how the movement has been stereotyped.

A large part of serious feminist theorists are against this sort of conservative demonization of sexuality. A lot of hugely influential feminist figures like Simone de Beauvoir were staunchly in favor of sexual liberation. Dworkin isn't the only feminist out there, lol.

It's really odd to me when someone in favor of youth liberation is against feminism. Youth liberation is intrinsically tied to female liberation. It's directly beneficial to you as a transgender person too.

[reaver]

Dworkin? You've never heard of e.g. Stanton, Butler, Sanger, Pankhurst, Hirschfeld, who'd not even afford us the tolerance demonized as conservative (e.g. AoC 7, marriage)? Rather than talking of "friendly" feminism, which is merely hypothetical as evidenced by the lack of said tolerance, we should focus on what's real. So, pardon my skepticism of Lial's historical revionism, and the inane reduction of feminist misandry to bemoaning victimhood of "transwomen", which laughingly undermines the argument being made.

[Harlan]

I would also add that feminism has never been about true equality.

When they fought for the right to vote, the right to employment, the right to self-expression, it all made sense. They achieved everything they wanted.

Now feminism has nothing to do with the fight for equality. It is now a toxic ideology of ugly, diffident and hypocritical idiots, hiding behind the "protection of women" in order to attack the rights and freedoms of everyone else, imposing censorship under the guise of fighting the so-called "Patriarchy".

True feminism should defend femininity and female beauty and attractivenes, but instead, so-called modern feminists instill unattractiveness, hatred and misandry. They don't like it when someone is more attractive than them, so they came up with the concept of "objectification" to promote desexualization to the masses and suppress natural femininity and feminine beauty. These are not feminists, they are anti-feminists.

[Harlan]

As a trans woman, this is really just ridiculous. Even the slightest look at an author like Julia Serano would dispell these concerns. This is really the only kind of discussion you can have if you want to completely ignore the issues faced by women, and in particular, only focus on the sex-negative branches of feminism which expressly are pushed against by sex workers, transfeminist women, etc. Any transfeminist will tell you that there is a portion of feminists who are extremely negative towards sex and, in large part, demonize 'male anatomy' as a battering ram against trans women. You're really throwing the baby out with the bathwater here, as if every damn part of every damn movement for decades hasn't explicitly hated us pedos.

Read Serano. Get back to me.

This poster is correct. I think you, OP, have a very warped view of feminism because of how the subject has been bastardized by the liberal mainstream... As do may people in this thread, it seems, who are basing their conceptions of feminism on vague ideas of how the movement has been stereotyped.

I would be all for it. Unfortunately, their voices were completely drowned out by Radfem's hysterical shouts.

[ironic_clarity]

OP's obsession with genitals betrays bioessentialist thought, which is disappointing coming from a trans person. i guess if it lets you proclaim women as the reason for your oppression, that is more valuable than not misgendering yourself?

i think you find feminism confusing because the mainstream feminist thought fails to accommodate trans people, and extrapolate from there.

no philosophy is one singular dogma. isn't it worth considering that feminism enabled sexual liberation through contraception? who do you think motivated the development of the birth control pill? what do you think they wanted to achieve by making that accessible to women? do you think the world is a better or worse place because of it?

[G@yWad69]

As a trans woman, this is really just ridiculous. Even the slightest look at an author like Julia Serano would dispell these concerns. This is really the only kind of discussion you can have if you want to completely ignore the issues faced by women, and in particular, only focus on the sex-negative branches of feminism which expressly are pushed against by sex workers, transfeminist women, etc. Any transfeminist will tell you that there is a portion of feminists who are extremely negative towards sex and, in large part, demonize 'male anatomy' as a battering ram against trans women. You're really throwing the baby out with the bathwater here, as if every damn part of every damn movement for decades hasn't explicitly hated us pedos.

Read Serano. Get back to me.

This poster is correct. I think you, OP, have a very warped view of feminism because of how the subject has been bastardized by the liberal mainstream... As do may people in this thread, it seems, who are basing their conceptions of feminism on vague ideas of how the movement has been stereotyped.

A large part of serious feminist theorists are against this sort of conservative demonization of sexuality. A lot of hugely influential feminist figures like Simone de Beauvoir were staunchly in favor of sexual liberation. Dworkin isn't the only feminist out there, lol.

It's really odd to me when someone in favor of youth liberation is against feminism. Youth liberation is intrinsically tied to female liberation. It's directly beneficial to you as a transgender person too.

Are you sure about that? Because from hisorical examples, most of the laws specifically banning or restricting youth rights have come from “protectionist” femminists. Instead of working together with children to make their lives safer and better, they just outright banned them, ban, ban, ban. The femminist are NOT the ones supporting youth rights, they never have and never will. All I have seen is femminist shifting the space that women have been forced into onto children. Femminists were tired of being seen as “asexual ignorant and stupid” so instead of fighting back against it, they just said “no we arent, the kids are the real asexual ignorant stupids that should be opressed instead”. I cant think of one youth rights issue that isnt directly caused by femminists bullshit. Even absurdly Hugh American drinking age had them to blame. Instead of trying to edcuate and work with young people to make drinking safer like they do in literally every other country, they just banned them from the option completely. Femminism is NOT compatible with youth rights. Femminists want to be the new men and want children wo be the new women. They are at odds. I dont see how you can support both. The feeminists want the drinking age to be raised the youth rights want it abolished, the femminists want the age of consent raised the youth rights want it abolished, the femminists want the working age to be raised and the youth rights want it abolished. The femminist are fighting for all these anti youth laws under the guise of “protecting” children from adults, men speciffically, but they fail to realize that they are acting just like how the “evil patriarchal men” they claim are. Most of the patriarchal sexist shit men did to women in the past wasnt out of spite(or so they claim), but out of “”””protection””””. And now femminist do the dame thing to children, out of “”””protection”””” and act like their shit dont stink.

And no, the vast majority of femmnists are not “pro sex/sexuality” they might lie and say they are, but bring up anything but the very most vanilla teliophile sex, and its “problamatic” or “the patriarchy”. Name literally any kink or fetish or paraphillia and the femminazis will claim that its the patriarchy. I have even heard a femminist claim that all types of pedophillia, and not just man x girl, but MAN X BOY, WOMAN X BOY, and WOMAN X GIRL is “the patriarchy”. How is an adult woman dating a little girl a part of the patriarchy??!? How is an adult woman dating a little boy the patriarchy??!? How is men dating boys the patriarchy?!? Theres not even any females involved?!? And the commenter eas like “well men only dated boys because they hated women” could you not say the exact same thing about gay telio men?? That they only date other men because they hate women??! I wouldnt be surprised if the femminist end up turning on gay men, not lesbians, just gays, because they find a way to tie it to the patriarchy

[G@yWad69]

OP's obsession with genitals betrays bioessentialist thought, which is disappointing coming from a trans person. i guess if it lets you proclaim women as the reason for your oppression, that is more valuable than not misgendering yourself?

i think you find feminism confusing because the mainstream feminist thought fails to accommodate trans people, and extrapolate from there.

no philosophy is one singular dogma. isn't it worth considering that feminism enabled sexual liberation through contraception? who do you think motivated the development of the birth control pill? what do you think they wanted to achieve by making that accessible to women? do you think the world is a better or worse place because of it?

Yeah, women. Not men, not children. Just women and women only. And now they have done a completely 180. And are shaming one for being sexual/having sexual autonomy and seeing that women having a sexuality is a part of “the patriarchy” and is “objectification/sexualization”. Any time I see a woman dare to be sexual, either online or in person. There is always at least a couple of femminists in the comments “why are you sexulazing yourself? You are appealing to the male gaze/the patriarchy and are setting femminist back” god forbid a woman want to wear a cute miniskirt and a bralet?? Maybe she is being sexy not because of “the patriarchy” or the “male gaze” but brcause she is an autonomous human being with a sexuality. Femminists are any enemy of sex and sexual freedom. All of histroy points to this, and the only exception I see was that tiny blip in the 60-70s with the birth control. A broken clock can be right twice a day, doesnt mean its not broken