Why do you tell yourself that kids can consent?

[G@yWad69]

Firstly, let me thank you for making the effort to reach understanding, as opposed to just blind condemnation.

There are many counter-arguments I would like to make. HumanBeing covered some good ones.
But let me start here:

How could a kid consent to sex when they don't even know what it is yet?

Why do you feel they are incapable of learning what it is?

They can learn in the science way, but that doesn't mean they should practice. why rushing the physical discovery? Plus a childs genitals is small and by definition not mature, so why forcing an activity on a an organ that's not fully formed yet? I think romance might be okay, maybe, but I'd call myself "anti contact" since that's what I understood on this site.

Why cant they practice? Whats so bad about practicing? How come kids are supposed to practice every other skill in life but when it comes to sex they cant practice it? How is someone, kid OR adult supposed to do anything correctly if they arent even allowed to practice the skill? Its not “rushing” anything. Fetuses masturbate in the womb, toddlers hump their stuffed animals, elementary schoolers play with each others genitals(without any “grooming” or adult influence, they just get curious and realize it feels good and explore). Kids seek out sex and how to learn about it, thats why so much of modern day parenthood is putting parental locks on shit and telling kids how bad sex is, because a kids innate and natural instinct is to seek it out and learn about it, it goes against their instincts for adults to refuse to educate them and ban them from exploring. Why should we stunt these kids natural exploration of their own and others bodies? Because its “yicky”? Because adults think its “innaporpriate”? Its clearly appropriate or else they wouldnt be doing it in the first place.

“Plus a childs genitals is small and by definition not mature, so why forcing an activity on a an organ that's not fully formed yet?” Humans are capable of getting boners and acheiving orgasm IN THE WOMB, as FETUSES. So no ones forcing shit. And not mature means that they arent capable of getting someone pregnant or getting pregnant(which only applies to kids who havent reached puberty by the way, not teens or preteens), it doesnt mean they cant recieve sexual pleasure or orgasm. A kids dick wont explode or fall off it gets rubbed or fondeled. Yall are so fucking dramatic. Yall act like rubbing some kids dick is the equivilant to forcing them to serve in the military or work 14 hour shifts in a factory. What about getting your dick fondeled is so impossible and difficult and traumatizing for a kid to handle? If they play with their own penis theyll be fine but if a “grown up” hand does the exact same thing that they do it will suddenly ruin them for life? Can you please explain this?

Sorry that I dont agree with the viewpoint that getting a blowjob is a life changing and mind blowing event, or even worse “traumatizing”. Sorry that I dont agree that people should be getting locked up in prison or even fucking murdered over handjobs and blowjobs. A blowjob is NEVER that deep.

[RoosterDance]

They can learn in the science way, but that doesn't mean they should practice.

Why shouldn't they practice?

why rushing the physical discovery?

Why delay physical discovery?

Plus a childs genitals is small and by definition not mature, so why forcing an activity on a an organ that's not fully formed yet?

A child is small and not mature in general, but that doesn't stop them from playing sports, racing dirt bikes, camping in the wilderness, or swimming. All of which can be very dangerous, by the way. What makes this different?

Also, who said anything about forcing? The whole point of debate in this topic you created is all about allowing kids to choose.

[Outis]

You can debate whether many things about adult and minor relationships but the shakiest argument in my opinion is around consent because it doesn't hold up.

Kids can and do consent to countless things. Kids are thinking, smart, curious, open minded young people. They're not yet tainted by politics or hate, they see the world and question it, they're natural sponges at schools. Ask a child how he or she feels and you'll get an answer. Ask them if they want to go somewhere or what they want to eat and they'll tell you. So often they're considered mature enough to be held accountable for acts we don't like and we're often told how kids are smart enough to bypass security safeguards online better than their parents. My kids have managed to bypass our latest security monitoring and Internet access restricting tools and in the UK people are complaining that kids are installing VPNs to bypass restrictions under recent law changes.

Kids are full people with thoughts and feelings. Their parents know them best. It's odd that the state can mandate age of consent laws and rules around relationships with no knowledge of the individuals in a relationship, no context. Kids do have underage sex because they seek it out and enjoy it. Many parents would rather they did it safely with contraception and in a safe place like at home rather than fumbling away behind a bike shed at night.

It should be that a child can talk to parents about their thoughts and feelings and relationships and a parent who knows them, knows the other person, knows the situation and cares for them has the authority to give the best advice, guidance and help them to make a good healthy decision. Parents are not allowed to do that, the state has pre-ruled on the outcome, the parent is there simply to enforce the states pre-judgement. It isn't in the true interests of the child, it's in the interest of the state wanting a black and white sledgehammer approach where people on one side of an imaginary age line can, and those on the other side can't. One day someone is too young to cope, the next day they pop on a party hat, blow up a balloon and they're mature enough and ready. It makes no sense. I know adults who are not ready and don't want relationships, I know people underage who are smart and clued in and would be much better able to make an informed consent decision.

And as I said before, I've been that underage person in a physical relationship with an adult. He never forced me, he always sought consent and I only benefitted from it. From a legal standpoint, he abused me and I was a victim. The reality was completely different.

[ASpiritualMAP]

How does it hurt children? What specifically about the sex act hurts them? Yall always claim that it “hurts kids” then refuse to eleborate on what SPECIFICALLY hurts them. Does the orgasm feel too good for their tiny brains to process? Seriously, what specifically “hurts” them and why does shit like beating kids for “discipline” cause absolutely zero harm yet giving an eager, willing, and informed kid sexual pleasure is the equivilant of murdering their soul??

You inadvertently hit the nail on the head. It's about MAP's sexuality being potentially too much for the young brain to process on an emotional/psychological level. Someone's body made respond to an orgasm, but it does not follow that they consented to it. It's not that I think, iatrogenic harm is totally baseless, but your insistence that a sex act is all biological and has no psychological consequences for the younger person, save possible iatrogenic harm, is deeply concerning. If I’m understanding your argument correctly.

Look, I get it. I’m sick and tired of society's bigotry as well, and I acknowledge the need to blow off steam. Also, if you're exclusive, that makes your passion all the more understandable. I really don't think antis get it. They're essentially asking exclusives to lead a life of complete celibacy save masturbation. And with the laws coming down on AI images, and lolicon/shotacon, it’s hardly surprising you’re feeling the way you do.

Having said all that, I wonder if you're approach is the best as far as the long-term goals of making the world a better place for us. There's only so much bigotry a person can take. Also, I was moved by you bravely talking about your nepiophilia, I'm a nepiophile as well and can relate.

[CL2025]

Children are sexual beings, and yes, they can consent!

[G@yWad69]

How does it hurt children? What specifically about the sex act hurts them? Yall always claim that it “hurts kids” then refuse to eleborate on what SPECIFICALLY hurts them. Does the orgasm feel too good for their tiny brains to process? Seriously, what specifically “hurts” them and why does shit like beating kids for “discipline” cause absolutely zero harm yet giving an eager, willing, and informed kid sexual pleasure is the equivilant of murdering their soul??

You inadvertently hit the nail on the head. It's about MAP's sexuality being potentially too much for the young brain to process on an emotional/psychological level.

-How is it “too much”? What about MAP sexuality is too much” for the “young brain” to handle? Its not like we are doinc calculus or filing taxes? If a young brain can handle getting a handjob from a same aged partner why would it magically transform into “too much” if its a grown up hand instead of a kid hand doing the stroking?

Someone's body made respond to an orgasm, but it does not follow that they consented to it.

-and thats why why are talking about WILLING and CONSENTING kids, not rape, I thought that was obvious

It's not that I think, iatrogenic harm is totally baseless, but your insistence that a sex act is all biological and has no psychological consequences for the younger person, save possible iatrogenic harm, is deeply concerning. If I’m understanding your argument correctly.

-whats the “phsyciological consequence” then? Can you please explain it to me? Because yall are acting like getting a handjob forms an eternal soulbond with your partner, last time I checked, handjobs are just that, handjobs. Stroking someones penis up and down till they nut. What is the “phsyiologocial consequence” in that and why must we assume its automatically negative or worse “traumatizing fir life”

Look, I get it. I’m sick and tired of society's bigotry as well, and I acknowledge the need to blow off steam.

-im sick of it to. But societys bigotry is justfied by the notion that kids having sex with adults is a worse fate than death. They rape us, beat us, kidnap us, torture us, imprison us, ostrasize us, murder us, all based on this notion. Ive heard of pedos getting more than 50 years in prison, a longer sentence than literal MURDER AND TORTURE over having sex with a willing kid. Ive heard of Maps being set on fire over fictional teenagers. Ive heard people bragging about bullying maps to suicide. If you agree with societys notion that kid x adult sex is a worse fate than death and participating in it makes us evil monsters commiting the worst violation on humanity, NOTHING will change. You can either agree with antis that your an inherently violent and evil ticcing time bomb or you can challenge the bullshit viewpoint that gets us murdered and tortured daily. I choose the later

Also, if you're exclusive, that makes your passion all the more understandable. I really don't think antis get it. They're essentially asking exclusives to lead a life of complete celibacy save masturbation.

-well duh. They think that a kid getting a blowjob from an adult is worse than being tortured to death. If you refuse to challenege the notion that sex with kids is not only harmful, but “ruins” a kid for life, then the antis have zero reason to change their mind

And with the laws coming down on AI images, and lolicon/shotacon, it’s hardly surprising you’re feeling the way you do.

-even without the laws lolicon and ai. Giving someone the death sentence because they ate a willing minor just barely under the age of consents pussy is genuinely fucking barbaric. Even child torturers and child murders dont recieve such a harsh prison sentence.

Having said all that, I wonder if you're approach is the best as far as the long-term goals of making the world a better place for us.

-I dont see how it isnt? How is blindly ageeeing with our opressors that our naturally sexuality is inherently violent and destructive and that offending pedos are evil monsters who’ve commited the most evil sin of humanity and that the only way pedos can function in society is by constantly consciously repressing themselves 24/7 and that even non offending pedos are ticcing time bombs constantly ready to commit the worst violation of humanity going to get us anywhere? Blacks didnt get any rights by saying “im more violent then whites but im one of the good blacks who wont hurt anyone promise, not like those other stinky run away slaves”. Gays didnt get any rights by going “im one of the good gays who wont hurt anyone promise, not like those other stinky law breaking gays” so why would refusing to challenge our opressors and agree with their view that our sexuality is inherently destructive and abusive(the narrative that THEY crafted) bring us anywhere? The ticcing time bomb narrative that anti cs craft isnt going to make anyone trust pedos, since the pedos themselves are agreeing that they are inherently violent and dangerous

Anti:”All pedos should be burned at the stake because having sex with a willing minor is basically destroying a minors innocent soul and destroys them for life.having Adult minor sex makes you worse than satan because of how evil adult minor sex is. Therefore, anyone tempted to have adult minor sex(pedos) should be locked up or murdered for the safety of the children”

You:”I agree that having sex with a minor destroys their innocent soul and destroys them for life and makes you worse than satan because of how evil adult minor sex is but you shouldnt lock us up or murder us because despite being a pedo I pinky promise I wont touch your kids because Im one of the good ones ”

Like obviously no anti is going to fall for that. If you agree with the notion that a kid getting a blowjob from a grownup “ruins” them, then you might as well get thrown in the woodchipper too “just in case”. You think the antis will trust you when in your own words your innate and hardwired sexuality is inherently abusive and destructive and ruins your sexual partner for life? Think again. It doesnt matter if you claim to be non offending, even if you are 100% non offending, if you buy into the bs claim that pedosexuality is inherently violent and destructive and needs to be conciously repressed 24/7 for the sake of the children then its extremely resonable for antis to just lock you up or kill you “just in case” what reason would an anti have to prioritize a pedo over an “innocent”(ignorant) childs?

There's only so much bigotry a person can take. Also, I was moved by you bravely talking about your nepiophilia, I'm a nepiophile as well and can relate.

-yes i fucking LOVE juicy toddler thighs. I just want to munch on those sexy chunky little thighs nom nom nom. A fellow man of culture

[Not Forever]

[...] It's about MAP's sexuality being potentially too much for the young brain to process on an emotional/psychological level. [...]

I'd like to understand how much truth lies in this claim. In the sense: how true is it that a sexual relationship should be processed on an emotional and psychological level?

Many teenagers have sex with peers—shouldn't, based on what you wrote, sex between inexperienced peers be more dangerous than with adults? Driving school is done with someone who knows how to drive next to you, precisely because it's one of those activities with intrinsic risk.

At most, their expectations will differ—untainted by porn's portrayal of sex.