Is Jim Burton a fraud?

[Cunny Defender]

To start off, this guy claims to not even be a MAP himself; furthermore, he has a habit of undermining MAPs, manipulating and making logically unsound claims about us. He also draws the absurd parallel of MAPs being out to manipulate and harm youth, which is a harmful conspiracy spread by conservatives and feminists alike. The idea that we're out here to harm when in reality, we just want love like everybody else. The idea that I'm out here abducting people and enslaving them in a basement is crazy. I want lovely romantic relationships, to go to the beach, the movies, the theme park, and whatever other lovely things you can do, and no one is going to convince me it's wrong

[Officerkrupke]

What post was this in response to? Jim’s against the current pedo panic and stigmatization of MAPs.

[Jim Burton]

The idea that I'm out here abducting people and enslaving them in a basement is crazy.

It is, and I don't see how this is related to me responding to improvable pro-c assertions.

I have done this for decades, on various forums and in various servers, despite being pro-c and editing the major website that drives pro-c ideology (Newgon).

That is just a part of running a healthy community rooted in a criticism-based reality. Those making assertions should expect them to be challenged, and interrogated, only politely.

If a community promotes groupthink in any direction, that is unhealthy. If we are seen as fostering an environment where pro-c's can foment a radical ideology and go completely unchallenged, this will not be helpful to the overall aims of the community, which are unification and sustainability.

[Cunny Defender]

What post was this in response to? Jim’s against the current pedo panic and stigmatization of MAPs.

This isn't any response; I'm questioning his authenticity because of the questionable nature of him

[PorcelainLark]

What post was this in response to? Jim’s against the current pedo panic and stigmatization of MAPs.

This thread:

Anti-c MAPs are part of the problem
https://forum.map-union.org/viewtopic.php?t=3112

[reaver]

against the current pedo panic and stigmatization of MAPs.

MAPs includes pedos, so clearly no.

[Officerkrupke]

against the current pedo panic and stigmatization of MAPs.

MAPs includes pedos, so clearly no.

Look at his website.

[Jim Burton]

It's not every day I get a thread on one of the sites I run accusing me of being a "fraud" after 20 years, but sure, I'm here to face the inquisition.

[msykm99]

It's not every day I get a thread on one of the sites I run accusing me of being a "fraud" after 20 years, but sure, I'm here to face the inquisition.

We’ve gone back and forth and you ignored simple questions that I asked you so I’ll ask again. Besides the difference in pain, what effects would a child have from having sex with someone their age vs and adult.

[Jim Burton]

In the thread you took part in with me, you tried to justify using undue pressure on children in order to achieve your own sexual release. I pushed back at you, questioning your self-justifying pattern of thinking, which to any sympathetic and intelligent reader, was the stand-out feature in that thread.

The question of intrinsic harm - a completely different matter, was not central to the assertions I was pushing back on. You too, are confusing "is" with "ought" statements.