Thoughts on Zoophilia?

[BLueRibbon]

What about sex does an animal need to "understand"?

That sex is an act that involves the gross exchange of body fluids and potential risks of diseases.

But animals cannot explain this to each other. So should animals just not have sex?

[oolhlh2]

What about sex does an animal need to "understand"?

That sex is an act that involves the gross exchange of body fluids and potential risks of diseases.

But animals cannot explain this to each other. So should animals just not have sex?

No, because they have the same level of ability to consent.

[oolhlh2]

No one is defending that act, which is physically harmful. On the other hand, would you be upset with your mother for touching your genitals if you lived among the following Guinean people?

Yeah that is bad. Just because its tradition doesn't mean it is moral.

I think it is important to guage the mental development of the child and the specific act involved. Obviously a 13 year old child is more mentally developed than a baby, and penetrating a childs genitals is worse than touching their leg sexually.

My main issue is that society will treat all actions as morally abhorrent and wish to impose draconian punishment that don't fit those crimes. I feel uncomfortable imposing the death penalty on to say a 20 year old who has had sex with a 13 year old for example, but I feel that it would fit a 20 year old who has had sex with a toddler.

[Not Forever]

No, because they have the same level of ability to consent.

I don’t understand this.

Nothing you wrote earlier logically implies that two people with the same “level of ability to consent” can have sex. On top of that, I’d have to ask how something like that could even be assessed. There are average differences between males and females — can we really say they have the same “level of ability to consent”? Do two people in the world truly have the exact same “level of ability to consent”? I’m slightly autistic — can I have consensual sex with a neurotypical person, or do I need to find another autistic person?

And these questions arise from the fact that this request has nothing to do with the previous argument, and therefore requires new questions and new evaluations.

[oolhlh2]

I don’t understand this.

Nothing you wrote earlier logically implies that two people with the same “level of ability to consent” can have sex. On top of that, I’d have to ask how something like that could even be assessed. There are average differences between males and females — can we really say they have the same “level of ability to consent”? Do two people in the world truly have the exact same “level of ability to consent”? I’m slightly autistic — can I have consensual sex with a neurotypical person, or do I need to find another autistic person?

And these questions arise from the fact that this request has nothing to do with the previous argument, and therefore requires new questions and new evaluations.

Do you think a 1 year old toddler can consent to an adult?

[Not Forever]

Do you think a 1 year old toddler can consent to an adult?

I cannot speak on behalf of a one-year-old child, but if they approach the matter in a consensual way, I will consider it consensual. If they cry or show discomfort, I will take that as a lack of consent. And when it comes to consent, the age difference has nothing to do with it. Let’s imagine both a child and an adult setting fire to a child’s arm. Does the opinion of the child with the burned arm change depending on whether the harm was caused by an adult or by another child?

For me, it wouldn’t make a difference, and I don’t think they would give their consent to continue having their arm burned by either of them, although they would cry. But if we’re talking about a game? Well, I think they would give consent to both the adult and their peer in the same way. Why treat their consent differently instead of actually looking at what their will would be, their attitude, and their… well, consent—even if it isn’t verbalized?

[DANAT4T]

No, because they have the same level of ability to consent.

I don’t understand this.

Nothing you wrote earlier logically implies that two people with the same “level of ability to consent” can have sex. On top of that, I’d have to ask how something like that could even be assessed. There are average differences between males and females — can we really say they have the same “level of ability to consent”? Do two people in the world truly have the exact same “level of ability to consent”? I’m slightly autistic — can I have consensual sex with a neurotypical person, or do I need to find another autistic person?

And these questions arise from the fact that this request has nothing to do with the previous argument, and therefore requires new questions and new evaluations.

I hate when someone says that they are slightly autistic. Not to worry, I am not one of those woke idiots that force people to apologize when they get offended.

[oolhlh2]

I cannot speak on behalf of a one-year-old child, but if they approach the matter in a consensual way, I will consider it consensual. If they cry or show discomfort, I will take that as a lack of consent. And when it comes to consent, the age difference has nothing to do with it. Let’s imagine both a child and an adult setting fire to a child’s arm. Does the opinion of the child with the burned arm change depending on whether the harm was caused by an adult or by another child?

For me, it wouldn’t make a difference, and I don’t think they would give their consent to continue having their arm burned by either of them, although they would cry. But if we’re talking about a game? Well, I think they would give consent to both the adult and their peer in the same way. Why treat their consent differently instead of actually looking at what their will would be, their attitude, and their… well, consent—even if it isn’t verbalized?

The 1 year old child clearly doesn't have the mental ability to make mature decisions. I have experience feeding 1/2 year old children food once and some of them hate certain foods despite it being healthy for them. Why are you treating toddlers as though they do?

If my mother choose not to feed me healthy food and fast food instead and told me later on, I would be very upset because she didn't fulfill her responsibility as an adult. Sex is similar, how can 1 year old me have sex when I don't even know what it is and how it works?

[RoosterDance]

Hey oolhlh2,

It seems many people have been arguing against you. But I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for contributing your thoughts to these discussions anyway. It is good to have an opposing viewpoint every now and then, lest we devolve into yet another echo chamber.

That said, one of your statements has me curious:

sex is an act that involves the gross exchange of body fluids and potential risks of diseases.

How has your sex life been?

[oolhlh2]

Hey oolhlh2,

It seems many people have been arguing against you. But I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for contributing your thoughts to these discussions anyway. It is good to have an opposing viewpoint every now and then, lest we devolve into yet another echo chamber.

your welcome

How has your sex life been?

Doesn't happen to me often. Why?