Thoughts on Zoophilia?

[Not Forever]

The 1 year old child clearly doesn't have the mental ability to make mature decisions. I have experience feeding 1/2 year old children food once and some of them hate certain foods despite it being healthy for them. Why are you treating toddlers as though they do?

If my mother choose not to feed me healthy food and fast food instead and told me later on, I would be very upset because she didn't fulfill her responsibility as an adult. Sex is similar, how can 1 year old me have sex when I don't even know what it is and how it works?

So exactly like adults… I mean, obesity in the United States is primarily an adult problem—adults who eat junk food and despise vegetables. From that point of view, that attitude is just as mature as that of adults.

In any case, we’re talking about consent here, aren’t we? You can see that they express their dissent by refusing to eat certain foods. In the same way, the fact that you get angry years later doesn’t mean that at the time you weren’t consenting when you were eating junk food.

There’s a missing element in your argument for it to make sense: are you infecting them with some disease? Exactly where is the objective harm in obesity? Because here it sounds more like being upset that, as a child, you weren’t given a vegan diet.

I hate when someone says that they are slightly autistic. Not to worry, I am not one of those woke idiots that force people to apologize when they get offended.

Do you prefer “high-functioning autism”?

[DANAT4T]

The 1 year old child clearly doesn't have the mental ability to make mature decisions. I have experience feeding 1/2 year old children food once and some of them hate certain foods despite it being healthy for them. Why are you treating toddlers as though they do?

If my mother choose not to feed me healthy food and fast food instead and told me later on, I would be very upset because she didn't fulfill her responsibility as an adult. Sex is similar, how can 1 year old me have sex when I don't even know what it is and how it works?

So exactly like adults… I mean, obesity in the United States is primarily an adult problem—adults who eat junk food and despise vegetables. From that point of view, that attitude is just as mature as that of adults.

In any case, we’re talking about consent here, aren’t we? You can see that they express their dissent by refusing to eat certain foods. In the same way, the fact that you get angry years later doesn’t mean that at the time you weren’t consenting when you were eating junk food.

There’s a missing element in your argument for it to make sense: are you infecting them with some disease? Exactly where is the objective harm in obesity? Because here it sounds more like being upset that, as a child, you weren’t given a vegan diet.

I hate when someone says that they are slightly autistic. Not to worry, I am not one of those woke idiots that force people to apologize when they get offended.

Do you prefer “high-functioning autism”?

Do you prefer 'false victim'.

[Not Forever]

Do you prefer 'false victim'.

Victim of what? I didn’t even post it in a victimistic way; it was just a point to highlight a problem.

[DANAT4T]

Do you prefer 'false victim'.

Victim of what? I didn’t even post it in a victimistic way; it was just a point to highlight a problem.

What problem are you highlighting? I don't know you, you don't know me.

[Not Forever]

What problem are you highlighting? I don't know you, you don't know me.

…I was pointing out the problem in the argument I was responding to. Let’s do this—I’ll stop replying to you. I understand that I might come across as unlikeable, but I’d at least like the discussion to be followed. You can criticize me, but if you take everything personally, I really can’t deal with you. I certainly don’t want to fill the forum with back-and-forth exchanges about nothing. Sorry.

[oolhlh2]

So exactly like adults… I mean, obesity in the United States is primarily an adult problem—adults who eat junk food and despise vegetables. From that point of view, that attitude is just as mature as that of adults.

In any case, we’re talking about consent here, aren’t we? You can see that they express their dissent by refusing to eat certain foods. In the same way, the fact that you get angry years later doesn’t mean that at the time you weren’t consenting when you were eating junk food.

There’s a missing element in your argument for it to make sense: are you infecting them with some disease? Exactly where is the objective harm in obesity? Because here it sounds more like being upset that, as a child, you weren’t given a vegan diet.

There is clearly a difference between a 1 year old's mental maturity and an adults. If you don't understand this then I don't know what to tell you.

Obesity is seen as an objective harm to societal health by medical experts. At the same time though, it is fine for adults to be obese because they have the mental development to understand the consequences.

[Not Forever]

There is clearly a difference between a 1 year old's mental maturity and an adults. If you don't understand this then I don't know what to tell you.

Obesity is seen as an objective harm to societal health by medical experts. At the same time though, it is fine for adults to be obese because they have the mental development to understand the consequences.

The point about the objectivity of the harm of obesity is that you have to demonstrate to me the objectivity of sexual activity. And I’ll stress again: you presented as evidence of immaturity a behavior that is also carried out by adults.

Mental maturity has nothing to do with consent. Being consenting is something a person either is or isn’t. Like jumping. A person who jumps is a person who jumps, whether they do it at eight years old, 24, or 60, even if the body that jumps is different. When we talk about consent, a human being is capable of expressing their consent even before they can verbalize it. Exactly like other animals do. If we talk about differences, I believe I’ve already given examples of how people’s brains differ from person to person, and it’s not just about age.

If you don’t like consent as a parameter, choose another one, but let’s not pretend that consent is about differences, because if we pretend it is, then adult consent wouldn’t be considered valid either. This could even open the discussion to food as an addiction, meaning that obese people shouldn’t be considered consenting when they order food from McDonald’s…

[DANAT4T]

What problem are you highlighting? I don't know you, you don't know me.

…I was pointing out the problem in the argument I was responding to. Let’s do this—I’ll stop replying to you. I understand that I might come across as unlikeable, but I’d at least like the discussion to be followed. You can criticize me, but if you take everything personally, I really can’t deal with you. I certainly don’t want to fill the forum with back-and-forth exchanges about nothing. Sorry.

Feisty. I like it. I have nothing else to say. I don't feel like a spanking from one of the mods right now.

[oolhlh2]

The point about the objectivity of the harm of obesity is that you have to demonstrate to me the objectivity of sexual activity. And I’ll stress again: you presented as evidence of immaturity a behavior that is also carried out by adults.

Mental maturity has nothing to do with consent. Being consenting is something a person either is or isn’t. Like jumping. A person who jumps is a person who jumps, whether they do it at eight years old, 24, or 60, even if the body that jumps is different. When we talk about consent, a human being is capable of expressing their consent even before they can verbalize it. Exactly like other animals do. If we talk about differences, I believe I’ve already given examples of how people’s brains differ from person to person, and it’s not just about age.

If you don’t like consent as a parameter, choose another one, but let’s not pretend that consent is about differences, because if we pretend it is, then adult consent wouldn’t be considered valid either. This could even open the discussion to food as an addiction, meaning that obese people shouldn’t be considered consenting when they order food from McDonald’s…

I also pointed out that sex also can cause disease. The exchange of body fluids while not necessarily harmful is also something too intimate. Also children are more immature than adults by far. Why do you keep trying to convince me that children and adults have the same maturity level. They cleerly don't.

But an adult who jumps has more awareness of the consequences of jumping than a child does, who does it more based on instinct.

Consent does depend on the person, but age is a greater predictor of someone's maturity level. Again I will stress that a 1 year old is clearly less mature than an adult is. We have the AOC as 18 because that seems to be the agreed upon age at which the person is mature enough to have sex.

I don't think eating McDonalds is worse than having sex in my opinion, but even if it were, it is still better for an addicted adult to eat it than an addicted child.

[Not Forever]

I also pointed out that sex also can cause disease. The exchange of body fluids while not necessarily harmful is also something too intimate. Also children are more immature than adults by far. Why do you keep trying to convince me that children and adults have the same maturity level. They cleerly don't.

But an adult who jumps has more awareness of the consequences of jumping than a child does, who does it more based on instinct.

Consent does depend on the person, but age is a greater predictor of someone's maturity level. Again I will stress that a 1 year old is clearly less mature than an adult is. We have the AOC as 18 because that seems to be the agreed upon age at which the person is mature enough to have sex.

I don't think eating McDonalds is worse than having sex in my opinion, but even if it were, it is still better for an addicted adult to eat it than an addicted child.

So then it’s a matter of understanding diseases—so in practice masturbation is fine? So basically, if one is in a position not to transmit diseases, it’s fine, while for those who are ill it’s enough to wait until dealing with an age at which sexually transmitted diseases are understood. Right?

And I’ll repeat again: maturity has nothing to do with consent, and being immature is not a deficit. Besides the fact that maturity varies from person to person. You’re the one who proposed an example as if it were indicative of something, when it can be applied to every age group.

Regarding the “gap”: a doctor will have more awareness about sex than an average person, so does that mean a doctor cannot have sex with a non-doctor? As a logical consequence of your argument.

Drinking a glass of alcohol is certainly worse than sex, since it damages brain cells. Then we can talk about sugar addiction, and I think addictions are worse than sex. Actually, seriously, everything is worse than sex. Sex is a component that should be present in a person’s life for their psychophysical health. Its absence causes harm. I’ve never seen anyone consider a sexual encounter on the same level as a stabbing between friends.

That said, I’ll add that the AOC is 18 where you live. Not where I live, and not in many parts of the world—there are countries that use what they consider more rational criteria, such as making sure individuals are in puberty. If it were based on brain development, the AOC would be thirty or even older. Out of all ages, 18 is the one with the least rational justification.