Controversial post here perhaps

[Theendoftheline]

BUT im ALL FOR teens 14 to 17 dating whoever the heck they want but reading some of these posts here im somewhat disgusted by the thought that some here think its okay to have sex with 6 to 12 year olds.....or any sexual interaction really. I may fail a purity test by saying that here and im not going to start drama over people stating what they believe etc but does anyone else here feel the same way? the reason I feel its okay for 14 to 17 yo's is because I figure by then you have enough of a "sense of self' or at least in theory should have enough of a sense of self to make an informed decision and the reason so many teens seem so ungodly immature and childish is a product of somewhat recent societal pressure to maintain innocence and youth and play the constant "victim card" in regards to what we consider "adult activates". Though even for my seemingly very mild views people on and off the internet would want me dead lol.

[Kierkegaard]

What is it about sexual interactions that makes them intrinsically dangerous for kids to participate in? Maybe there are some physical risks to penetrative intercourse, but I don't see any reason why witnessing others have sex, playing sexual games, being rubbed or massaged in a sexual way, etc are necessarily inappropriate for children of any age. You say you have no problem with teens having sex because they have a more developed sense of self and are capable of making informed decisions, but why are those things necessary for any and all kinds of sexual interactions?

We don't question whether children can consent to playing a board game or getting a massage. If somebody questioned whether or not children have a developed enough sense of self to make an informed decision regarding whether to get a back massage or to play a round of monopoly, nobody would even understand what they're talking about. Of course children can agree to do those things, they're harmless. So why is it that sexual games and sexual massages is so much more incredibly dangerous and requires greater cognitive faculties to consent to? A boy deriving pleasure from someone rubbing his back is normal but a boy deriving pleasure from somebody rubbing his penis is totally different? Why?

The other things we place an age restriction on are things which entail high degrees of risk and the potential for long term negative consequences if done impulsively and without full cognitive understanding. Drugs, alcohol, driving a 2,000 pound motor vehicle, legally binding contracts, joining the military, elective cosmetic surgery, etc. Maybe you can argue penetrative intercourse falls into this category because of STDs/pregnancy, but it's much harder to justify why any and all kinds of involvement in sexual interactions carries a similar amount of risk.

The problem with discourse on what the age of consent should be is that it presupposes sexual activities are all so universally dangerous that there needs to be a single age of consent in the first place. People act like abolishing the age of consent means it would then be legal to rape babies or whatever, but acts of violent abuse like that are already illegal under existing laws prohibiting non-sexual child abuse. It's not legal to punch a baby in the face or leave them outside overnight, it wouldn't be legal to hurt them sexually either, the age of consent isn't necessary for that.

[Theendoftheline]

What is it about sexual interactions that makes them intrinsically dangerous for kids to participate in? Maybe there are some physical risks to penetrative intercourse, but I don't see any reason why witnessing others have sex, playing sexual games, being rubbed or massaged in a sexual way, etc are necessarily inappropriate for children of any age. You say you have no problem with teens having sex because they have a more developed sense of self and are capable of making informed decisions, but why are those things necessary for any and all kinds of sexual interactions?

We don't question whether children can consent to playing a board game or getting a massage. If somebody questioned whether or not children have a developed enough sense of self to make an informed decision regarding whether to get a back massage or to play a round of monopoly, nobody would even understand what they're talking about. Of course children can agree to do those things, they're harmless. So why is it that sexual games and sexual massages is so much more incredibly dangerous and requires greater cognitive faculties to consent to? A boy deriving pleasure from someone rubbing his back is normal but a boy deriving pleasure from somebody rubbing his penis is totally different? Why?

The other things we place an age restriction on are things which entail high degrees of risk and the potential for long term negative consequences if done impulsively and without full cognitive understanding. Drugs, alcohol, driving a 2,000 pound motor vehicle, legally binding contracts, joining the military, elective cosmetic surgery, etc. Maybe you can argue penetrative intercourse falls into this category because of STDs/pregnancy, but it's much harder to justify why any and all kinds of involvement in sexual interactions carries a similar amount of risk.

The problem with discourse on what the age of consent should be is that it presupposes sexual activities are all so universally dangerous that there needs to be a single age of consent in the first place. People act like abolishing the age of consent means it would then be legal to rape babies or whatever, but acts of violent abuse like that are already illegal under existing laws prohibiting non-sexual child abuse. It's not legal to punch a baby in the face or leave them outside overnight, it wouldn't be legal to hurt them sexually either, the age of consent isn't necessary for that.

I kinda get what you are saying, genitals are JUST body parts that when stimulated feel good, so why put so much tabboo and social trauma on a body part that makes you feel GOOD, only humans tend to do that because of thousands of years of religious/social/sexual repressing correct?

[GL_in_Lyrics]

No.

Anti-pedophilia is a psyop, that includes all age of consent laws. I will not be brainwashed by this. The people who make these laws KNOW pedophilia and sex with children is beneficial for society, which is why they ban it, and why they practice it in secret. It's a man-hating, child-persecuting curse on humanity... dooming us to sure destruction.

Yes, truly, I say that unless pedophilia becomes accepted, humanity will wipe itself out sooner rather than later. There are other issues too that could cause self-destruction, but this is also one of them.

[Theendoftheline]

No.

Anti-pedophilia is a psyop, that includes all age of consent laws. I will not be brainwashed by this. The people who make these laws KNOW pedophilia and sex with children is beneficial for society, which is why they ban it, and why they practice it in secret. It's a man-hating, child-persecuting curse on humanity... dooming us to sure destruction.

Yes, truly, I say that unless pedophilia becomes accepted, humanity will wipe itself out sooner rather than later. There are other issues too that could cause self-destruction, but this is also one of them.

IDK its just REALLLY hard for me to wrap my head around that ya know? maybe its brainwashing or whatever but hmm.....

That said its been stated several times everywhere that peoples reaction to the sex is what causes so much trauma so then, that begs the question why do people react the way they do to it? I know a lot of people at the very least mean well but....

[OnionPetal]

[...] im somewhat disgusted by the thought that some here think its okay to have sex with 6 to 12 year olds.....or any sexual interaction really. [...]

There are plenty of reasons to be anti-contact. But if the barometer of your morality is 'personal disgust,' then would you accept society judging your own attraction the same way?

the reason I feel its okay for 14 to 17 yo's is because I figure by then you have enough of a "sense of self' or at least in theory should have enough of a sense of self to make an informed decision

I call bullshit. There is simply not one age where everyone gains enough 'sense of self' (whatever that is supposed to mean), as if people below a certain age all have some kind of identity crisis. The reason you feel it is okay for 14 to 17 year olds, is because that is the age you are attracted to.

and the reason so many teens seem so ungodly immature and childish is a product of somewhat recent societal pressure to maintain innocence and youth and play the constant "victim card" in regards to what we consider "adult activates".

As mentioned elsewhere, the reason teens seem so 'ungodly immature' is that people do not want to give younger children the freedom to grow. They prefer to keep kids bubble-wrapped until they are 14 to 17 years old, because that 'feels okay.'

Though even for my seemingly very mild views people on and off the internet would want me dead lol.

Don't worry, you sound pretty much like a normie to me. You're totally not a paedo. Feel better about yourself now?

[Theendoftheline]

[...] im somewhat disgusted by the thought that some here think its okay to have sex with 6 to 12 year olds.....or any sexual interaction really. [...]

If the barometer of your morality is 'personal disgust,' then would you accept society judging your own attraction the same way?

the reason I feel its okay for 14 to 17 yo's is because I figure by then you have enough of a "sense of self' or at least in theory should have enough of a sense of self to make an informed decision

I call bullshit. There is simply not one age where everyone gains enough 'sense of self' (whatever that is supposed to mean), as if people below a certain age all have some kind of identity crisis. The reason you feel it is okay for 14 to 17 year olds, is because that is the age you are attracted to.

and the reason so many teens seem so ungodly immature and childish is a product of somewhat recent societal pressure to maintain innocence and youth and play the constant "victim card" in regards to what we consider "adult activates".

As mentioned elsewhere, the reason teens seem so 'ungodly immature' is that people do not want to give younger children the freedom to grow. They prefer to keep kids bubble-wrapped until they are 14 to 17 years old, because that 'feels okay.'

Though even for my seemingly very mild views people on and off the internet would want me dead lol.

Don't worry, you sound pretty much like a normie to me. You're totally not a paedo. Feel better about yourself now?

Yeahhhh i get the point you're making, especially the last part. People tend to literally not care rather someone is 8 or 17, under the magic number of 18 you're a pedo monster for even feeling slight attraction. Its reallyyyyy hard to explain what im trying to say but I mean no ill will towards you.

That said I, have actually questioned why we put such a heavy burden and emotions behind the act of genital stimulation at any age, I have had these thoughts before as, how is the thing organs that literally make life possible for every human so frowned on at any age....hrmmm

[RoosterDance]

I know what you need. You need to hear the stories of people who have actually experienced this. After all, we can spout theories until we're blue in the face, but that means little in the face of how it actually affects people.

Here, read this one.

It's one of my favorites because it includes all the things people consider the most evil and dangerous. Stranger danger, "grooming", and even full on penetration, all at the age of 7. And yet the woman telling this story did not at all react the way people often believe she should have.

[OnionPetal]

Yeahhhh i get the point you're making, especially the last part. People tend to literally not care rather someone is 8 or 17, under the magic number of 18 you're a pedo monster for even feeling slight attraction. Its reallyyyyy hard to explain what im trying to say but I mean no ill will towards you.

That said I, have actually questioned why we put such a heavy burden and emotions behind the act of genital stimulation at any age, I have had these thoughts before as, how is the thing organs that literally make life possible for every human so frowned on at any age....hrmmm

I think I get it. And I appreciate your willingness to engage with topics that you are uncomfortable or unfamiliar with. Like said, there are plenty of reasons to be anti-contact. You don't have to agree with everything everyone says here. I sure don't. When it comes to these activism topics, my primary interest is on the well-being of the child. And to me it is clear that the current legal/social framework harms children more than it helps them. What kind of frameworks might serve them better? I believe exploring that question is a big part of what this site is about. But this site is also about questioning arbitrary norms, challenging false stereotypes, and confronting the prejudice and hypocrisy that hurts all of us.

[zarkle]

the reason I feel its okay for 14 to 17 yo's is because I figure by then you have enough of a "sense of self' or at least in theory should have enough of a sense of self to make an informed decision and the reason so many teens seem so ungodly immature and childish is a product of somewhat recent societal pressure to maintain innocence and youth and play the constant "victim card" in regards to what we consider "adult activates".

This is 100% confirmed, a 15 year old playing roblox with the mind of a 9 year old is indeed the product of our current culture, because in previous cultures and still in some parts of our culture today we see 15 year olds with academic attitudes, hard work ethic and personal responsibility. Over all its a mixed bag, some 15 year olds are mature others are the roblox stereotype. The immaturity is a product of how western culture is currently structured and there is no reason to believe it will magically end at 18. If may also have to do with parenting, some parents are much more ambitious and interactive to help their kids reach goals and others just leave kids with an ipad and android. That might be the key reason but since it is not my specialty I won't say anymore.


As for sex I think it should be at least 12 and up maybe 11 at the lowest and I say this as someone primarily attracted to 3-6 year old girls.