Do you think pedophilia/hebephilia will be normalized at some point?

[harrydubois666]

I think everything in history goes in cycles. There are periods of war and peace, periods of scarcity and periods of economic boom, and the same is probably true for the normalization of ideas and behaviors. Back then, it wasn't considered weird to marry 12 year old girls, and even in some coutries like Denmark, you could buy actual CP magazines in stores in the 70s. Now we're living in an era of genuine paranoia, where you're considered a pedo if you like young adult women. Maybe after some time we will see a slow normalization again but we would have to see profound economic and political changes. Who knows? Maybe I'm just coping and we're not going to see it in our lifetimes, but there have been so many periods in history where certaing things would be considered absolutely unacceptable nowadays, but they considered it to be completely normal.

[GL_in_Lyrics]

I think it will happen. It HAS TO happen. Or else.

Probably not in the next 50+ years though. And it sucks, because I do really believe that if it doesn't happen soon, if human intimacy isn't restored, then we are going to destroy ourselves and the human race even sooner.

[Curson]

Not in this lifetime, no.

[JGHeaven]

I am sure it will become normalised again, the whole panic over pedophilia is political if you ask me and politics changes quickly. Over just a couple of decades, politics transforms completely, ideologies shift, focus moves on, what was solid one decade is lost the next.

The panic about maps is entirely about creating an excuse for mass surveillance online. Every act that removes people rights, adds more restrictions online, adds more surveillance is wrapped up in terrorism and pedophiles. It's a short term blip, common sense will prevail and the strange panic we're seeing will fade away to be replaced with some new political panic.

I know a man who told me about how cp magazines were available back in the 70s, he lived in another country and would get them delivered. There was less fear about it, he'd get a big envelope through the post and tear it open and it would be the latest cp magazine in print. They even had adverts in, pages of them, pedo parents and families meeting up with others, singles advertising to meet families and parents with kids. I asked was it safe and he said it was all managed through the magazine rather than direct, so they'd respond to advert numbers back to the publisher and connect with people for kinky vacations and stuff. He didn't do that himself but he said he knew people who had back in the day, the kids loved it as much as anyone, traveling for vacations and having all kinds of fun. That was before my time, but it sounds like it was a thriving sub-community that people didn't care about.

I think we will get back to that more relaxed citizen first environment but it'll take decades to get there fully.

[harrydubois666]

pedo parents and families meeting up with others, singles advertising to meet families and parents with kids.

How does that work?

[JGHeaven]

pedo parents and families meeting up with others, singles advertising to meet families and parents with kids.

How does that work?

It doesn't any more, this was way back in the 70s which is before my time.
From how it was described, it was families meeting up such as on the French Riviera. Vacations where map families arranged to meet up, or traveling and staying at a maps place for a vacation, a sort of social culture within that old community. I don't know the details, it was only what was described about the kinds of thing that went on. I can't imagine anything like that today, but maybe some time in the distant future when the world becomes more tolerant towards each other.

[Anonymous22]

Absolutely! Not only does history repeat it constantly but even in today's age we are seeing young teens interested in things again and even adults who are not being as violent with it, which is the real crime imo. Intimacy was never the issue, violence was so once people start seeing the benefits of the loving side it will become harder to refute.

[John_Doe]

I probably took it for granted at one point, I think I assumed that the shift would come from the left (with pedophiles clearly being a marginalized group, in terms of cultural norms and arguably under the law, and as sex-negative as feminists tend to be it's traditionally been the left with which we associate 'sexual liberation'). Now, I'm not so sure. I don't know what would cause it, since the stigma around age-gap relationships between adults and 'ephebophilia' seems to be getting stronger, never mind sexual intimacy between prepubescent children and adults.

I could be wrong, I'm not well read on the history of age-gap taboos or attitudes about child and adolescent sexuality, but it seems to me that; despite child-adult sex being normalized in maybe a handful of cultures (even in the form of some customs I'm not ok with) Westerners didn't necessarily introduce the stigma around sexual intimacy between prepubescent children and adults but the stigma around sexual relationships between what we would now consider to be legal adults and teenagers seems to come entirely from modern Western culture and it's completely at odds with 'human nature.' Depending on how far back we want to go, it seems to me that the idea of 15,16,17-year old girls who are at Tanner stage 5 (never mind just basically capable of reproduction, which is to say that they have bodies that are 'designed' for sex because it is a biological function and we can reasonably expect them to have sexual instincts or a fully developed libido as a result. Even if some people lack sexual attraction to others, I have to think that the lack of a libido in people who have a menstrual cycle or whose bodies produce sperm; who have a functioning reproductive system, is a symptom of some medical issue, if not high stress) being broadly interchangeable with 5-year-olds as 'children' or a taboo around them being with much older men is unprecedented.

[John D.]

Probably not in our lifetime.

[zarkle]

The only way child lover rights will become normalized is if we MAPs heavily focus on the science of disgust, (the research by Paul Rozin and otheres) if not there isn't a chance in hell. No amount of abstract left wing politics analyzing culture alone will move us even closer to MAP rights.

What I expect to happen is science of the mental state of disgust will go mainstream and lay people will be fully informed on two things that will change our fate.

1) all humans are naturally disgusted by things that sexually repulse them
2) the same parts the brain that detect norm violations heavily overlap with the parts of the brain that detect rotten/rancid/spoiled food, showing the brain's biases on comparing deemed immoral acts with bad food.

These two facts are critical because they are established by neuroscience and evolutionary psychology.

Currently today feminist on X.com and BlueSky who get 1000s-10000s of likes calling sex with 16-17 year olds disgusting, this science going mainstream will open new doors and automatically put them in the defensive position. Research on disgust going viral will take away antis most powerful weapons "labeling things they dislike disgusting". As a mature society educated on disgust will not flinch with repulsion like our current one. Thus forcing feminist to debate ebohebephilia and from there we work our way down.

The second part is for MAPS to take advantage of the LGBT communities clueless nature as seen in these pics

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They assume disgust is "internalized homophobia" when in reality its a involuntary naturalistic repulsion mechanism

The LGBT community is fully unaware that humans are naturally disgusted by unwanted sexual cues. They assume "disgust" is a form of fear or hate towards homosexuals/queer people when in reality it is just a naturalistic repulsion mechanism that has no ultimate say on morality, as MAPs are goal is to educate LGBT people that naturalistic feelings of disgust are normal towards things they are not sexually attracted too and that it isn't homophobic or anti lgbt in anyway.

That way us MAPs can bring something new to the LGBT community. Research and science on disgust that they never payed attention too.

So I made two points, science on disgust can be used to force feminist to change their strategies which will open portals to all sorts of possibilities because once science on disgust goes mainstream ludicrous insults like " SEX WITH 17 YEAR OLDS IS SICK AS FUCK BRO!" will lose their punch. The science of disgust can defang antis. The second point is that LGBT can become enlightened on why even they view each other as disgusting, what LGBT+ now views as a "internalized homophobia" will turn into a naturalistic repulsion mechanism.


Please focus on the science on Disgust, moral outrage and peer pressure. No amount of left wing politics will put a dent in antis. We need science, skepticism and logical dissection of our own emotions.