Womens activism

[JGHeaven]

Thinking back to the suffragettes and suffragists movements, what can women do contribute in a unique way to map activism and community?

It doesn't map directly because the suffragettes were fighting for their own rights and were willing to die for them, who wants to live with no rights or freedom? But this is a cross gender issue and as a woman I often think about how can I fight for change, not just for me but for men and women maps.

I'm very much in the pro-c camp because it's a fundamental human right to me for adults and children. The right to say yes or no to sex is as fundamental as the right to food, water, shelter and non-violence. Denial of those rights is an act of violence against maps and children.

But when I come here and I know this is true for some other women at least, it can feel hard to know how to contribute. There are so many very intelligent people, mostly men, doing incredible work and discussing deep issues, and I just think "how can I really contribute?".

So my question is how can women contribute to this movement? Is there anything we can bring to this fight and community that's unique or easier for women? Do we have any superpower we can offer?

It is important to me because I don't want to go through life thinking there's no hope of ever being with a young girl I strong affections for. The frustration never fully goes away although I control it very well. I've had young girl friends I've been close to but never crossed a line even if my body has been screaming to. There was one girl who was very openly expressive towards me how much she wanted a physical relationship. We were close to each other when she was 7 and by 8 she would flirt and make passes very often. She would masturbate in front of me and ask me to do it which I didn't and I would tell her to stop. One time I found her naked in my bed, she had gone there and when I walked in she asked me to join her, if possible, she was more horny for me than I was for her. But I told her to dress and stop doing this. She was frustrated and didn't like my rejections, I don't think it did her confidence any good, and I was frustrated and eventually just stopped seeing her because the frustration was too strong. I don't want to live forever in a world like that.

[Pegasus]

Thinking back to the suffragettes and suffragists movements, what can women do contribute in a unique way to map activism and community?

It doesn't map directly because the suffragettes were fighting for their own rights and were willing to die for them, who wants to live with no rights or freedom? But this is a cross gender issue and as a woman I often think about how can I fight for change, not just for me but for men and women maps.

I'm very much in the pro-c camp because it's a fundamental human right to me for adults and children. The right to say yes or no to sex is as fundamental as the right to food, water, shelter and non-violence. Denial of those rights is an act of violence against maps and children.

But when I come here and I know this is true for some other women at least, it can feel hard to know how to contribute. There are so many very intelligent people, mostly men, doing incredible work and discussing deep issues, and I just think "how can I really contribute?".

So my question is how can women contribute to this movement? Is there anything we can bring to this fight and community that's unique or easier for women? Do we have any superpower we can offer?

It is important to me because I don't want to go through life thinking there's no hope of ever being with a young girl I strong affections for. The frustration never fully goes away although I control it very well. I've had young girl friends I've been close to but never crossed a line even if my body has been screaming to. There was one girl who was very openly expressive towards me how much she wanted a physical relationship. We were close to each other when she was 7 and by 8 she would flirt and make passes very often. She would masturbate in front of me and ask me to do it which I didn't and I would tell her to stop. One time I found her naked in my bed, she had gone there and when I walked in she asked me to join her, if possible, she was more horny for me than I was for her. But I told her to dress and stop doing this. She was frustrated and didn't like my rejections, I don't think it did her confidence any good, and I was frustrated and eventually just stopped seeing her because the frustration was too strong. I don't want to live forever in a world like that.

We’re always talking about children’s consent—can they actually give consent? Even child psychologists ask: can babies consent? Even if they can’t speak? And when a girl who can speak gives her explicit consent? It feels like we’re at a crossroads: we wait so long for that moment, and when it finally arrives, we freeze. It’s like that story about the dog that chased every car that drove down the street; one day the car stopped, and he didn’t know what to do. That girl you mentioned—she gave you every sign; the only thing missing was her kneeling down in front of you.
MAP women are more reserved; they don’t stand out as much, but the few who have the courage are always wise and right in what they say; they are always of great value and offer valuable lessons to men. Not just because they are women, but because they have the soul of a woman; they possess a different, keen sense that we men don’t perceive, in addition to a different kind of love—a maternal love—and they can bring wonderful beings into the world, whom we love and desire deeply. You are wonderful, and I hope that you can, indeed, contribute to our struggle.

[RoosterDance]

I think people like you, whose personal lived experiences clearly contradict the dominant narrative, are very valuable. I think it would be great if you could share your experiences in a place where more people can see them. Safely share them that is. Doing so would also likely embolden others to do the same. If people were allowed to speak honestly about their experiences, it would become clear that there are just as many positive stories as there are negative ones.

The censorship of such stories has been an important part in keeping the anti narrative dominant. It helps radicalize those who would ordinarily be more moderate. They might be more sympathetic, or at least less punitive, if they knew positive outcomes were even possible. If they knew how inaccurate the idea of childhood "innocence" really is.

The fact that you're female, and your young friends as well, is a bonus for helping to dispel that lingering victorian-era belief that females can't enjoy or pursue sex. A belief perpetuated by certain radical feminists in modern day. A belief that's easy to believe when they and/or the women in their lives report having such a terrible time in their very limited experiences with sex. And I believe that so often happens due to general lack of sexual liberty and education.

[JGHeaven]

We’re always talking about children’s consent—can they actually give consent? Even child psychologists ask: can babies consent? Even if they can’t speak? And when a girl who can speak gives her explicit consent? It feels like we’re at a crossroads: we wait so long for that moment, and when it finally arrives, we freeze. It’s like that story about the dog that chased every car that drove down the street; one day the car stopped, and he didn’t know what to do. That girl you mentioned—she gave you every sign; the only thing missing was her kneeling down in front of you.
MAP women are more reserved; they don’t stand out as much, but the few who have the courage are always wise and right in what they say; they are always of great value and offer valuable lessons to men. Not just because they are women, but because they have the soul of a woman; they possess a different, keen sense that we men don’t perceive, in addition to a different kind of love—a maternal love—and they can bring wonderful beings into the world, whom we love and desire deeply. You are wonderful, and I hope that you can, indeed, contribute to our struggle.

Beautifully said and true.
We are more reserved, I know a few other female maps here and at other forums, there's a surprising number but we tend to stay in the shadows. I think we don't know how to speak out and we carry mixed emotions of guilt, at least mothers do, not because we've done anything wrong but because we're told mothers must be a certain thing and as maps we feel like we're bad moms or betraying women which is silly.

There were times with that girl that I considered crossing that line I'd set because I knew she really wanted me to as much as I wanted to, but I always managed to hold back. If I had crossed that line then it would have been such a blessing for us both, but I never wanted to put either at risk and so I just refused to cross it. I've had other young friends much the same, but she always stood out as special because we knew each other a long time. I'm also perceptive towards young girls, I think many women are because we do remember what it was like even if we repress it. I've known several girls who I could tell were very attracted to adult men I knew, it was so obvious to see. Usually the guy wouldn't realise it but I've seen girls flirt so obviously, even making very suggestive moves that I've instantly recognised that she's horny for him and he's too distracted to even notice it.

I think in a different world that wasn't so repressed through centuries of religious guilt lecturing, people would be far more liberated and less frustrated.

I think people like you, whose personal lived experiences clearly contradict the dominant narrative, are very valuable. I think it would be great if you could share your experiences in a place where more people can see them. Safely share them that is. Doing so would also likely embolden others to do the same. If people were allowed to speak honestly about their experiences, it would become clear that there are just as many positive stories as there are negative ones.

The censorship of such stories has been an important part in keeping the anti narrative dominant. It helps radicalize those who would ordinarily be more moderate. They might be more sympathetic, or at least less punitive, if they knew positive outcomes were even possible. If they knew how inaccurate the idea of childhood "innocence" really is.

The fact that you're female, and your young friends as well, is a bonus for helping to dispel that lingering victorian-era belief that females can't enjoy or pursue sex. A belief perpetuated by certain radical feminists in modern day. A belief that's easy to believe when they and/or the women in their lives report having such a terrible time in their very limited experiences with sex. And I believe that so often happens due to general lack of sexual liberty and education.

Thank you, I was thinking the same.
Two ideas come to my mind.

One is to write a short guide for what activisim people can do, but fill it with practical things and break it into different people types.
Women who are maps, children who are attracted to adults or have had or are having positive experiences and want to contribute to activism, marries and single men, people working in media, people in work, retired, students, maps who are also lgbtq+ etc. Practical things from speaking to a parent or friend to template email to send to your local political representative. A growing document or website, providing real advice to help people to get involved however they can.

The other idea is to do what you suggested and find more ways to tell my story and to encourage others to do the same. Tell friends, speak out in social media, write to letters pages, just stop feeling like I can't speak out, that telling my story is bad and wrong.