Gay Rollback Is Coming (And That's A Good Thing)

[Nopi Balki]

Hmmm... Just at first sight I see some issues in the first post.

The main issue is that you are talking about Gays and LGBT+ people as if all of them were the ones who made that exclusion of MAPs 3 decades ago. Sure they did that but is wrong to generalize that action and trow into it people that just for their inborn sexuality get to be part of a group not for their ideals beyond their own sexuality. And even more when there are Gay and LGBT+ people here that are also MAPs and supports us while being against of what 3 decades old people did not against the rights of individuals regardless their sexuality.

I hope this is a mistake of generalization and not an purposely miss of that point to accuse people you are against to. Because is sounding really bad and anti-like .

[PorcelainLark]

Hmmm... Just at first sight I see some issues in the first post.

The main issue is that you are talking about Gays and LGBT+ people as if all of them were the ones who made that exclusion of MAPs 3 decades ago. Sure they did that but is wrong to generalize that action and trow into it people that just for their inborn sexuality get to be part of a group not for their ideals beyond their own sexuality. And even more when there are Gay and LGBT+ people here that are also MAPs and supports us while being against of what 3 decades old people did not against the rights of individuals regardless their sexuality.

I hope this is a mistake of generalization and not an purposely miss of that point to accuse people you are against to. Because is sounding really bad and anti-like .

I agree. The OP post implies that the main reason why LGBT acceptance occurred was because of throwing MAPs under the bus. If you think that's the only reason why LGBT rights were accepted then fair enough. However I don't think that's the case. I'm not convinced harsher conditions will make the broader LGBT community have solidarity with MAPs. Then there's also the question of non-exclusive MAPs who are LGBT, are we supposed to be grateful that another aspect of our identity is being repressed?

[Artaxerxes II]

Hmmm... Just at first sight I see some issues in the first post.

The main issue is that you are talking about Gays and LGBT+ people as if all of them were the ones who made that exclusion of MAPs 3 decades ago. Sure they did that but is wrong to generalize that action and trow into it people that just for their inborn sexuality get to be part of a group not for their ideals beyond their own sexuality. And even more when there are Gay and LGBT+ people here that are also MAPs and supports us while being against of what 3 decades old people did not against the rights of individuals regardless their sexuality.

I hope this is a mistake of generalization and not an purposely miss of that point to accuse people you are against to. Because is sounding really bad and anti-like .

This isn’t a question of feelings and whatnot, it’s a question of realpolitik. Sure, there are MAPs who are in the LGBTQ+ lobby, but I doubt any of them are in key leadership positions and, if they are, they sure are uncaring towards even their MAP allies. I’m not going to sugarcoat this, it’s just a fact that most MAPs are heterosexual and that it costs us nothing to not defend the gays from homophobia, especially if said homophobia is downstream from the pedophobia that the gay lobby loves to push together with most of the “LGBTQ+ community”. You want them to change? Then mincing words at them as it is won’t work as they are as much of a political lobby as a corporation, so you need leverage to be able to have dialogue with them. And that only comes by having their power reduced to the point that they can’t live in comfort in their gated communities anymore, and have to talk to the underprivileged for once, and that includes us.

No pain, no gain. That’s a rule of life.