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oolhlh2 wrote: Thu Feb 26, 2026 9:09 am
I remember learning about Dr Disrespect's relationship with a minor. The minor reported him. There are other cases like this one where victims report the perpretrators in an attempt to get them convicted.
From what I imagine, this never happened with homosexual relationships. Is there something I am not seeing?
As someone who did actually do this there's a lot of pressure to do so. I didn't actually want to but it was the only way to get the topic dropped by family. I wish I stood up for myself, not the guy. I think some maps have this rosy view where all these relationships are great but sometimes they are relationships that are bad for the kid. When you're in that society tells you to report so you do. I didn't particularly like the guy and he was pushy and manipulative. I would have wanted to end it on my own terms instead of being pressured into it, defending him for years, and then finally doing it.
Also sometimes minors are just raped and it's never bad to report rape.
oolhlh2 wrote: Thu Feb 26, 2026 9:09 am
From what I imagine, this never happened with homosexual relationships. Is there something I am not seeing?
If you were to report your partner in a homosexual relationship when that was illegal, you'd be ratting on yourself too. A better comparison to make is historical interracial relationships, where white partners wouldn't be punished as severely, or could avoid punishment altogether by claiming rape.
Look into some of Marie Molloy's work. She focuses mainly on the history of slavery, and did a lot of work exploring white women and their relationships with male black slaves. In short, it was rather common for white women in consenting relationships with slaves to either confess when they were under the pressure of being discovered, and it was also common for women who did get discovered to thereafter claim coercion or rape.
This is very vague. In comparison to heterosexual teleiophile couples, certainly you have a proportion of people who will report being abused. In comparison to homosexual teleiophile couples, you'll see that too. The problem is proportion, if 10 percent of teleiophile couple report their partners, do we say no teleiophile relationship is permitted? No. The bad experiences of some minors don't justify the general claim that AMSC is harmful.
Also, not to be too cynical, but there is sympathy which "victims" of "AMSC" get, regardless of how they actually feel about the experience. If being seen as a victim of CSA confers certain social advantages, then there's an incentive, regardless of how you experience it, to report. So, while we shouldn't dismiss CSA occurring, realistically we have to acknowledge their may be incentives for reporting besides suffering.
The answer is to treat CSA as a subset of AMSC. Even if you don't believe children can consent, a child who assents to a sexual act is in a different situation than a child locked in Fritzl's basement. The issue is the risk of abuse, not sexual interactions themselves; otherwise, how could gynecologists treat minors and how could teachers teach sex education? Not every sexual interaction with a minor is necessarily harmful. You have to be stupid, delusional, or dishonest to think otherwise. Teaching a girl on the cusp of puberty how to use a tampon is the same as locking a kid in a basement and forcing them to perform sexual acts? I don't think so. A doctor checking a teen pregnancy is equivalent to abducting a minor for sexual purposes? I don't think so.
Why is it such a stretch of the imagination that between functional AMSC (sex education, gynecology) and sexual abuse there can't be a legitmate gap between them? I feel anti-c people have to keep inventing excuses to to treat AMSC for pleasure as the same as typical sexual abuse, but I ask you, what sexual abuse other than CSA has the criteria on which it's viewed as abusive? A woman dating a powerful man isn't seen as necessarily abused.
What it comes down to, as others have rightfully said, is sex exceptionalism. Treating sex in a way we don't treat any other moral issue.
What can an eternity of damnation matter to someone who has felt, if only for a second, the infinity of delight? - Charles Baudelaire