A place to debate contact stances and possible reforms. You can express pro-c, pro-reform, or anti-c views. Just be respectful and do not advocate engaging in criminalized sexual relationships.
CantChainTheSpirit wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:23 pm
I think anti contact maps are just so tired of being beaten down that they're saying anything they think will get them a slither of tolerance.
How is that working out?
It isn't
Keep every stone they throw at you. You've got castles to build.
“Hope is not something you find; it’s something you create.” – Cassian Andor
“Our fight is for those who came before us, and for those still to come.” – Mon Mothma
I don't understand the anti-c nature of some maps.
Maps shouldn't offend for their own safety as much as anything, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't look for equality and acceptance.
A map who is completely anti-c in principle feels to me like someone who suffering from a degree of self hate and doesn't even want to find acceptance.
zarkle wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2026 2:28 am
Let me play the role of devil's advocate
Oh my God, like we don't have enough of that? An entire wing of our movement (anti-C) are basically people who love being oppressed, agree with their oppressors and think they (and us) should be oppressed more
The "oppressors" AKA the people brainwashed by child protection instincts rarely explain their case concretely. They just say it is creepy, disgusting, gross and get filled with moral outrage and shutdown the conversation without elaborating. I just had to elaborate their opinion without appealing to emotion to give them the best representation. I am pro full contact after puberty's vital stages and education. (around 12-13) Which places me in the middle of the pro and anti debate. Keep in mind I am in a part of the world where some people consider 17 and 21 and 16 20 dating rape. Which I find absurd.
Also I want to normalize girl and boy lovers positively interacting with small children as care taking figures working at day cares and nurseries and befriending parents to be a child's loving playmate. So that also makes me pro contact in the sense of bonding and mutual relationships. Another major focus on mine is the legalization of non hardcore CP for prepubescents. My goal is to bring Junior Idol/Child Star like culture to the West but without the intense social pressure on the kids that Japanese society has. Junior Idol in the West minus the extreme performance demands of Japanese society. My stance is clear. I am not for having sex with prepubescent children. Though I will tolerate lovers before puberty and sex after puberty's vital stages. But my personal goal is to be able to browse chinese swimwear websites, jerk off to little 3 year old chinese girls in bikinis without risking a huge rap sheet of felonies because as we know the definition of "CSAM" in many western countries is not exclusive to extreme content. Antis "every time the image is shared the child is revictimized" logic doesn't hold an ounce when it comes to willing and happy swimwear models and junior idols.
Great original post. Agree completely. AOC is totally arbitrary, as evidenced by the wide range, as mentioned, from state to state , country to country etc. But let’s say there should be an age where consent or desire, cannot be reasonably expressed. I have argued for lowering the AOC, to maybe 12 or 13, BUT adding a rebuttable presumption that below that “ magical “ age, consent is still possible. The burden of proof (that there was consent, knowingly and cogently give, shifts to the older person to show he or she received consent of the other party. Laws by necessity must have a general application (we don’t all get our own laws), but implementation should be as case-by-case as possible. This makes that possible.
An entire wing of our movement (anti-C) are basically people who love being oppressed, agree with their oppressors and think they (and us) should be oppressed more
