“Pedophillia isnt about sexual attraction, it is about power and control”

[KnightofHope]

I do miss G@yWad69, he had such unique turns of phrase.

[Scorchingwilde]

I also miss G@yWad69, though I joined after he left. Many of what he wrote about rings true for myself

[nicholas_weeks]

If I would try to contest such claim I would probably describe the desires felt by MAPs as mirror of the desires repressed by society. The simple conclusion is that it can be indeed about power and control, but it's for sure always about sexual attraction.

[DANAT4T]

Forced rape is about power. I hate it when low IQ individuals blame the clothes of rape victims. I literally don't see any sense in the argument but I have unfortunately heard 'normies' say this all the time but unfortunately people like me who support relationships regardless of age are evil.

[Creature Bipedal]

Incest is not love, not because of having no sex with the wife:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/1 ... 7261428419

[MapGuy45657]

It's an incoherent statement, because arousal is a very particular sexual mechanism. The way it works is basically sex and arousal are gene replication strategies of DNA. Humans are physical machines, kinds of computational systems. If you believe in 'There's only matter and physics acting on this matter', you have to agree. Therefore if we are machines, computers, and we observe that human arousal works via the sensory interface (sense data in - arousal out), we have to conclude using the logic of natural selection that arousal must work by a comparator. So again sense data in, *comparison to parameter*, arousal out. The question becomes what defines the parameter? The answer is selective pressure on reproductive success. Because you have to mate with human to copy genes, the only information that gets encoded to the parameters of positive arousal are human phenotypes, features. So the only way for a human to be turned on by Juveniles, or juvenile phenotypes (such as retained into adult hood) would be *if* they had juvenile phenotypes encoded to sexual preference DNA --> Neurological architecture.

Now people will claim that there exists those who sexually engage with juveniles with *no* sexual interest in them, but consider has this been demonstrated theoretically (Can we make sense of it under Evolution?) or empirically (Is there any observation supporting this model?) No. I have no idea where it came from, but something tells me it stems from confusion as to what Humans Biologically are. Note that power and control itself evolves to aid sex, everything is actually subservient to sex and is an organ of it. All traits evolve to make you better at sex and reproducing, even the ones that let you control others.

[CantChainTheSpirit]

From what I've read, it is recognised that there's a difference here and that there's a personality disorder unrelated to sexuality which involves deriving pleasure from dominating and causing fear in others. Abusive marriages can be one way this manifests, some rapists and yes, child abuse can be one way this manifests itself. This is why there's that paradoxical understanding that most child abuse is committed by non-pedophiles. There can be many causes for child sex abuse but it's more often a result of such personality disorders than pedophilia because these people will abuse anyone they can, often including children as easy targets. This is very different to pedophilia.

To be clear, the drive to dominate others and create fear in others is a personality disorder that exists across sexualities. Pedophilia is an attraction. Most child abuse is carried out by non-pedophiles with such personality disorders. Not everyone understands this because it isn't intuitive, so many people just equate abuse to pedophiles. That would be like saying most crime against men is by gay men when in fact this isn't the case, it's by people with violent tendencies.

[MapGuyAgain]

From what I've read, it is recognised that there's a difference here and that there's a personality disorder unrelated to sexuality which involves deriving pleasure from dominating and causing fear in others. Abusive marriages can be one way this manifests, some rapists and yes, child abuse can be one way this manifests itself. This is why there's that paradoxical understanding that most child abuse is committed by non-pedophiles. There can be many causes for child sex abuse but it's more often a result of such personality disorders than pedophilia because these people will abuse anyone they can, often including children as easy targets. This is very different to pedophilia.

To be clear, the drive to dominate others and create fear in others is a personality disorder that exists across sexualities. Pedophilia is an attraction. Most child abuse is carried out by non-pedophiles with such personality disorders. Not everyone understands this because it isn't intuitive, so many people just equate abuse to pedophiles. That would be like saying most crime against men is by gay men when in fact this isn't the case, it's by people with violent tendencies.

Okay, again these people can claim it has nothing to do with sexuality, but I have no idea how they would even demonstrate that let alone claim it as true. I'm very skeptical of claims involving sexual activity and no sexual motivation. You can see sexuality itself as a kind of power and control, of course you have sex to cause certain outcomes into reality, that's power and control so I don't reject this much.

[CantChainTheSpirit]

From what I've read, it is recognised that there's a difference here and that there's a personality disorder unrelated to sexuality which involves deriving pleasure from dominating and causing fear in others. Abusive marriages can be one way this manifests, some rapists and yes, child abuse can be one way this manifests itself. This is why there's that paradoxical understanding that most child abuse is committed by non-pedophiles. There can be many causes for child sex abuse but it's more often a result of such personality disorders than pedophilia because these people will abuse anyone they can, often including children as easy targets. This is very different to pedophilia.

To be clear, the drive to dominate others and create fear in others is a personality disorder that exists across sexualities. Pedophilia is an attraction. Most child abuse is carried out by non-pedophiles with such personality disorders. Not everyone understands this because it isn't intuitive, so many people just equate abuse to pedophiles. That would be like saying most crime against men is by gay men when in fact this isn't the case, it's by people with violent tendencies.

Okay, again these people can claim it has nothing to do with sexuality, but I have no idea how they would even demonstrate that let alone claim it as true. I'm very skeptical of claims involving sexual activity and no sexual motivation. You can see sexuality itself as a kind of power and control, of course you have sex to cause certain outcomes into reality, that's power and control so I don't reject this much.

To be clear, this isn't my opinion, I'm merely quoting current research and established practices.

Longitudinal studies sugges 50–60% are often termed "non-pedophilic" offenders or general sexual offenders who abuse children for reasons other than primary sexual attraction (e.g., anger, power, or impulse control issues).
Source: This is often cited in forensic psychology, with seminal work from researchers like Robert Seto (a leading researcher on sexual offending).

For Physical/Emotional Abuse, a significant portion of physical abuse is committed by parents suffering from depression, substance abuse, high stress, or limited coping skills. While personality traits (like impulsivity) are involved, it is not always tied to a specific "personality disorder."
Sexual Abuse: While "situational" offenders are common, the FBI’s Violent Criminal Apprehension Program (ViCAP) and the U.S. Department of Justice note that a large percentage of child sexual abuse offenders have comorbid personality issues.

Antisocial Personality Disorder: This is highly correlated with sexual re-offending, impulsivity, and the use of children as an object of control.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder: These offenders often view the child as an object to fulfill their ego or power needs.
Borderline Personality Disorder: These offenders often exhibit instability, intense relationships, and impulsivity, which can lead to sexual abuse.
The "Situational" Offender: These are often the "most often" type for total abuse cases. They don't necessarily have a deep-seated psychopathy, but rather an unstable emotional state (e.g., Antisocial traits) that allows them to cross a line in times of stress.
A 2013 study by the Journal of Sexual Medicine and earlier work by Kendall-Tackett suggest that 60% of male sex offenders against children have some form of comorbid personality disorder, with Antisocial and Borderline traits being the most common.

Where is this established?
This consensus is documented in forensic literature and clinical guidelines:

DSM-5 (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders): Distinguishes between "Pedophilic Disorder" (the desire) and "Child Molestation" (the act). The manual notes that not all molesters meet the diagnostic criteria for the disorder.
American Psychological Association (APA): The APA Task Force on the Sexual Offender noted that a significant number of offenders are "situational" rather than solely driven by pedophilic disorder.
U.S. Department of Justice (NIJ): Their report "Child Sexual Abuse" highlights that 50% of sexual offenders against children are known to the victim, and that many of these "familiar offenders" (like fathers, uncles, teachers) do not always have the disorder but have antisocial or narcissistic traits that facilitate the abuse.
Robert Hare’s Research: Dr. Hare is a pioneer in Antisocial Personality Disorder. His work established that the highest risk of sexual recidivism is often found in those with high levels of "antisocial personality traits."
Robert Preussler (2004) – "Pedophilia: A Review of the Literature": Confirmed that many offenders are "mixed types" who show traits of both pedophilia and situational offending, often comorbid with Cluster B disorders.

If you'd like to dive into details more then these are useful sources.

Seto, M. R. (2004). "Childhood sexual abuse as a risk factor for adolescent sexual offending."
U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs (2013). "The Nature of Child Sexual Abuse: A Statistical Overview."
Hare, D., & Neill, C. (2011). "The Role of Antisocial Personality Disorder in Child Sexual Abuse."
If you want to dive deeper into the clinical distinction, the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) provides open-access research summaries on this topic.