Why are MAPs so (too) peaceful?

[OnionPetal]

I'm also surprised that there aren't more relatives and loved ones willing to stand up.

This is a good point. Loved ones of unjustly treated MAPs have pretty much nothing to lose themselves. But instead of defending the character of their loved one or calling out the injustice, more often they act ashamed. I think it's because they know people will misunderstand the severity of the charge, and think that the person was a violent rapist who is a continued danger to children (thanks to society equating pictures with violence). There is also a stigma of shame like having to wear a scarlet letter for the rest of one's life. That stigma needs to be broken. Perhaps relatives/loved ones can be part of that breaking of the stigma. It will be hard, because in supporting their loved ones, they will be smeared as also supporting the most violent sex crimes.

[...] if my son were imprisoned for several years for some telepathic crime like looking at pictures and videos [...]

I love this term 'telepathic crime' to describe looking at pictures. We should use this term more often.

[CantChainTheSpirit]

I do wonder if the world is different today to how it was when it comes to free speech and activism.

I mean in the past, it was hard to fight back for groups that were targeted by extreme prejudice. Black people, gay people, women, these are all groups that were targeted in the past and they fought back, over time to win some respect.

Maps are one of the fuew communities tha tremain victims of extreme prejudice and are now looking to fight back, but the world is different. In the past there was no Internet, the fight was more local. Today the fight is different, it's global and online with levels of hate not experienced before. Even expressing an opinion is enough to be targeted.

I think the tools available for extremists are greater today in the past and that leads to higher levels of fear and people running to ground rather than fighting back. But those same tools can serve us to, if we choose to use them.I think the fight against us is stronger than what those other communities faced, but the tools we can emply are stronger. Honestly I think all we're lacking is organisation.

We could bring together funds, expertise and peopl to make a difference, if there was a call from someone. If there was a respected group of maps that called for help, I'd go to assist, I think others would to. All it takes is for a group to form with some authority to call for help, and people would come and do great things.

[MAPallmylife66]

Because we're not wired to be violent!

[HumanBeing]

I still don't understand why so many MAPs act so naive and stupid sometimes, they should realize that naivety is a luxury, and a pretty expensive one btw, we can't afford having such weak mindset during a war (and yes MAPs vs Antis is a war whether you like it or not), we must defend ourselves, defend our people and (if needed) attack anyone or anything that hinders our path to freedom

Always remember that life doesn't forgive weakness, weak ones will always be crushed and forgotten

[HumanBeing]

Because we're not wired to be violent!

All humans are wired to be violent if something attacks us, we have a nice and calm life thanks to our ancestors killing animals and rival tribes who attacked us, everything you have (computers, food, buildings, state, your own life) has been builded above the corpses of past and present enemies

[MAPallmylife66]

Because we're not wired to be violent!

All humans are wired to be violent if something attacks us, we have a nice and calm life thanks to our ancestors killing animals and rival tribes who attacked us, everything you have (computers, food, buildings, state, your own life) has been builded above the corpses of past and present enemies

I'm actually a fourth degree black belt martial arts practitioner, and know how to kill a person more ways than I can count, but my sole purpose for learning such skills, were to protect myself, and the people I care for. I am by nature a passivist, and that was my point. I will however use those skills for the right reasons, but not just because!

[HumanBeing]

Because we're not wired to be violent!

All humans are wired to be violent if something attacks us, we have a nice and calm life thanks to our ancestors killing animals and rival tribes who attacked us, everything you have (computers, food, buildings, state, your own life) has been builded above the corpses of past and present enemies

I'm actually a fourth degree black belt martial arts practitioner, and know how to kill a person more ways than I can count, but my sole purpose for learning such skills, were to protect myself, and the people I care for. I am by nature a passivist, and that was my point. I will however use those skills for the right reasons, but not just because!

We agree then, I'm not advocating for unjustified violence just to clarify

[bnkywuv]

Because we're not wired to be violent!

Some, such as psychopaths and narcissists are, however contrary to popular belief, our ancestors (bonobos) are quite peaceful, while the other (chimpanzees) are known to be more violent IF put under circumstances. Chimpanzees are more prone to violence, but they're not as violent as we make them out to be. Same with hunter/gatherer societies.

I think that due to abusive, toxic people being allowed to be parents without a hunter/gatherer lifestyle is contributing to the rise in anti-pedo hysteria as well as violence and emotional/psychological abuse. In hunter/gatherer societies, physical punishment was rare for children, and if you hurt a member of the tribe you were pretty much killed off, though in some cases you were just given a warning. They practiced fierce egalitarianism, helped in raising children, all people would pitch in o help if they could, not like today where we're working the 9 to 5, alone, with only one partner...

Now that we live in isolated nuclear families, this kind of toxic abusive parenting isn't getting punished, nor are they driven off for being cruel to their children. Those genes begin to spread, then they get into positions of power, and before long, you have anti-pedophiles all over looking for someone to slaughter.

It's my belief too that antis hate us not for fear of hurting children but because we pose a direct threat to their roles of power and because we seek to free children from their bad influences. To toxic types children are just mere trophies to do their bidding and make them look good, which his why they're so oppressive of the very people they claim to protect and care about...they don't.

[Scorchingwilde]

Because we're not wired to be violent!

Some, such as psychopaths and narcissists are, however contrary to popular belief, our ancestors (bonobos) are quite peaceful, while the other (chimpanzees) are known to be more violent IF put under circumstances. Chimpanzees are more prone to violence, but they're not as violent as we make them out to be. Same with hunter/gatherer societies.

I do want to note that both bonobos and chimpanzees are our closest living relatives, but they're our cousins, both them and us descending from a common ancestor, a 'grandparent' species if you will (in this metaphor, Chimps and Bonobos are siblings, their common ancestor is more recent than their relation to us). I agree with the qualitative statements about violence here.

I think that due to abusive, toxic people being allowed to be parents without a hunter/gatherer lifestyle is contributing to the rise in anti-pedo hysteria as well as violence and emotional/psychological abuse. In hunter/gatherer societies, physical punishment was rare for children, and if you hurt a member of the tribe you were pretty much killed off, though in some cases you were just given a warning. They practiced fierce egalitarianism, helped in raising children, all people would pitch in o help if they could, not like today where we're working the 9 to 5, alone, with only one partner...

A citation of two would be useful for your argument here. I have seen sources that agree with some of what you say but it's a little speculative as well.

Now that we live in isolated nuclear families, this kind of toxic abusive parenting isn't getting punished, nor are they driven off for being cruel to their children. Those genes begin to spread, then they get into positions of power, and before long, you have anti-pedophiles all over looking for someone to slaughter.

I can see that as a possibility for sure. Some isolated nuclear families allow for peaceful (or only aggressively self defensive) social outcasts to thrive better though, from anecdotal experience. I don't necessarily think that controlling anti-MAPs are made by their genomes, nor that their genotype is the most prevalent nowadays either though. The imposition of cultural values based in power-seeking and ageism self replicate memetically in my view.

[Human]

It's my belief too that antis hate us not for fear of hurting children but because we pose a direct threat to their roles of power and because we seek to free children from their bad influences. To toxic types children are just mere trophies to do their bidding and make them look good, which his why they're so oppressive of the very people they claim to protect and care about...they don't.
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I agree sister. Anti’s claim to care about the consent of children but they don’t care about their consent to circumcision, religious indoctrination, enforcement of certain values, etc. Children are merely extensions of their parents in societies eyes. If their parent is a Christian then their kid is a Christian, if their parent is nationalist then their child is nationalist, etc you get it. Ridiculous how they claim to care about consent or protection of children when they support removing their autonomy in favour of “innocence”.