The Destiny and Amos Yee Dabate on Pedophilia

[Brain O'Conner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uw9NWF7Z6w: What are you guys' opinion on this debate? For me, this debate could have been better. For one, the way Amos presented himself and his points could have been a lot better, and two, Destiny's whole bases on why sexual interactions between an adult and child is inherently harmful because it will always be exploitive regardless of if it was mutual or not is flawed in of itself. The reason why his argument is flawed because of the meaning he gave to what exploitation means. In short, he says that the reason why it is inherently exploitive because the child is less informed about the consequences of sexual activity and the adult is more informed on what he/she is doing, in which case Destiny is right to some degree, but it does not make it necessarily exploitive. If we are going to use the same logic that Destiny proposes, then by default a child engaging in sexual activity with another child is exploitive, but they don't call it that because they are "exploring". Then you ask them, "would it be better and arguably safer for the uninformed to engage in such activity with someone that is more knowledgeable? Another example you can give to his flawed logic is either a doctor performing surgery on a patient or a parent administrating medication to their child is exploitive as well, due to those people who are in those positions having more knowledge on what it is that they're doing than the patient or child. But they don't call those exploitive and may explain the difference between that and a child/adult sexual interaction is that the one with surgery or medicine is more beneficial that helps people and the other is not. But then again, that amounts to nothing and does not change how flawed his argument is. The truth is that while there will be more room for exploitation with a child engaging in such acts with an adult, it does not automatically make it exploitive and entirely depends on the mindset/intentions of the informed that will make it exploitive or not i.e. the adult either wearing protection, pulling out, or doing a non-penetrative activity with giving the sexual knowledge that the child will ought to know about.

[FairBlueLove]

I agree with you. I have seen only another such debate on YT, where the host is a guy with a long beard (I don't remember his name) and he interviewed O'Carrol. O'Carrol was absolutely brilliant and the points of the host were flawed and/or based on nothing but socially induced repulsion.

2000 and more comments below the video you linked, of which 99% against Amos Yee. Surprise. Most (all) of them are clearly mindless or parrot comments dictated by hate and herd behavior. Saddening as usual...

A number of them are mocking him regarding his conviction. What did he do?

[Artaxerxes II]

A number of them are mocking him regarding his conviction. What did he do?

In 2020, some 14-year-old Texan woman sexted with him, and that's how he got to jail for "child grooming" and soliciting + possessing "CP" in America. Prior to that, he first got convicted on 2015 in Singapore for insulting its founder Lee Yuan Yew, in 2016 for blasphemy, and after seeking asylum in the US thanks to the support of anti-woke grifter Melissa Chen, he managed to flee to the US as a refugee, and the rest is history.

Regarding Melissa Chen, she was one of the hypocrites that supported Yee when he focused on religion, only to call for his deportations when he argued in favour of MAPs. Made even more ironic in that she is the director manager of a "free thinking" org called Ideas Beyond Borders.

[Artaxerxes II]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uw9NWF7Z6w: What are you guys' opinion on this debate? For me, this debate could have been better. For one, the way Amos presented himself and his points could have been a lot better, and two, Destiny's whole bases on why sexual interactions between an adult and child is inherently harmful because it will always be exploitive regardless of if it was mutual or not is flawed in of itself. The reason why his argument is flawed because of the meaning he gave to what exploitation means. In short, he says that the reason why it is inherently exploitive because the child is less informed about the consequences of sexual activity and the adult is more informed on what he/she is doing, in which case Destiny is right to some degree, but it does not make it necessarily exploitive. If we are going to use the same logic that Destiny proposes, then by default a child engaging in sexual activity with another child is exploitive, but they don't call it that because they are "exploring". Then you ask them, "would it be better and arguably safer for the uninformed to engage in such activity with someone that is more knowledgeable? Another example you can give to his flawed logic is either a doctor performing surgery on a patient or a parent administrating medication to their child is exploitive as well, due to those people who are in those positions having more knowledge on what it is that they're doing than the patient or child. But they don't call those exploitive and may explain the difference between that and a child/adult sexual interaction is that the one with surgery or medicine is more beneficial that helps people and the other is not. But then again, that amounts to nothing and does not change how flawed his argument is. The truth is that while there will be more room for exploitation with a child engaging in such acts with an adult, it does not automatically make it exploitive and entirely depends on the mindset/intentions of the informed that will make it exploitive or not i.e. the adult either wearing protection, pulling out, or doing a non-penetrative activity with giving the sexual knowledge that the child will ought to know about.

Yee is a quick talker, but some of his worst debates were with Warski. For example, Yee didn't comprehend the trolley-pulley problem, and even when his supporters pointed it out in the chats, he didn't cite the Rind 1998 report, likely because he forgot about it. Anyway, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJAYuHQZQ88

[Brain O'Conner]

Yes is a quick talker, but some of his worst debates were with Warski. For example, Yes didn't comprehend the trolley-pulley problem, and even when his supporters pointed it out in the chats, he didn't cite the Rind 1998 report, likely because he forgot about it. Anyway, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJAYuHQZQ88

Yeah, I remember watching that debate on FreeSpeechTube. It was a mess and went nowhere.

[mrlolicon93]

I used to watch Amos Yee's videos around 2015/2016 and was a huge fan of his.

Later on i actually ended up meeting him back when he had his Matrix chat and Discord server myself and a few of my former friends used to hangout with him.

He was an asshole and treated everyone like shit and it was very obvious to me and my at the time friends that he was a narcissist.

We used to voice chat on discord and i remember he told me if you're so depressed and suicidal you should just kill yourself.

He pretty much burned every bridge to where not only the anti-pedo people who originally supported him turned on him but a good chunk of the map community did as well.

In my opinion he does not represent nor speak for us because he gave us a bad image and he deserved what happened to him.

Good fucking riddance.

[Harlan]

he says that the reason why it is inherently exploitive because the child is less informed about the consequences of sexual activity and the adult is more informed on what he/she is doing, in which case Destiny is right to some degree, but it does not make it necessarily exploitive. If we are going to use the same logic that Destiny proposes, then by default a child engaging in sexual activity with another child is exploitive, but they don't call it that because they are "exploring".

Exactly. This is a typical hypocritical double standard position.

Relationships between adult partners can also be respectful or exploitative. Relationships between minor peers can also be respectful or exploitative. Despite this, none of the antis complains about this, although both among adults and minors one of the partners may turn out to be a cruel abuser. Everything is fair.

But what prevents us from applying the same logic to inter-age relationships? Only prejudices. As soon as they talk about relationships between an adult and a minor, the first automatically becomes a "terrible rapist", and the second an "innocent victim", although when they talk about minor peers, for some reason no one remembers "innocence"

...Then you ask them, "would it be better and arguably safer for the uninformed to engage in such activity with someone that is more knowledgeable? Another example you can give to his flawed logic is either a doctor performing surgery on a patient or a parent administrating medication to their child is exploitive as well, due to those people who are in those positions having more knowledge on what it is that they're doing than the patient or child...

All these shows, TV series and films with the participation of underage actors can also be called "exploitative". Despite the stereotype of innocence, they like to involve and show children on the show "The Voice", how they are tested in the show "Ninja", how 13-year-old Magnus Carlsen plays chess with grandmaster Kasparov, but for some reason they cannot masturbate together, lol.

An adult is considered "wise and kind" when it comes to guardianship, education, treatment, but as soon as it comes to friendship, romance, love, then for some reason the adult automatically becomes "terrible and evil". At the same time, they themselves tell us about tolerance, that not all black people are criminals, not all people of Islamic origin are radical terrorists. What prevents people from being consistent? Ignorance and prejudice.

[Brain O'Conner]

I used to watch Amos Yee's videos around 2015/2016 and was a huge fan of his.

Later on i actually ended up meeting him back when he had his Matrix chat and Discord server myself and a few of my former friends used to hangout with him.

He was an asshole and treated everyone like shit and it was very obvious to me and my at the time friends that he was a narcissist.

We used to voice chat on discord and i remember he told me if you're so depressed and suicidal you should just kill yourself.

He pretty much burned every bridge to where not only the anti-pedo people who originally supported him turned on him but a good chunk of the map community did as well.

In my opinion he does not represent nor speak for us because he gave us a bad image and he deserved what happened to him.

Good fucking riddance.

I didn't know he was that bad. I remember watching a debate where Amos flipped out over a guy joking about teenagers getting depressed and killing themselves, but never expected him to act like that towards you. What happened? And besides all of that, is there anything that he did that gave us a bad image besides going to jail?

[mrlolicon93]

I used to watch Amos Yee's videos around 2015/2016 and was a huge fan of his.

Later on i actually ended up meeting him back when he had his Matrix chat and Discord server myself and a few of my former friends used to hangout with him.

He was an asshole and treated everyone like shit and it was very obvious to me and my at the time friends that he was a narcissist.

We used to voice chat on discord and i remember he told me if you're so depressed and suicidal you should just kill yourself.

He pretty much burned every bridge to where not only the anti-pedo people who originally supported him turned on him but a good chunk of the map community did as well.

In my opinion he does not represent nor speak for us because he gave us a bad image and he deserved what happened to him.

Good fucking riddance.

I didn't know he was that bad. I remember watching a debate where Amos flipped out over a guy joking about teenagers getting depressed and killing themselves, but never expected him to act like that towards you. What happened? And besides all of that, is there anything that he did that gave us a bad image besides going to jail?

Amos never cared about people with mental health issues or people struggling with suicidal thoughts if he ever showed that he did it was all fake.

He was just trying to make himself look good to get people on his side when in reality behind closed doors if you actually met him and talked with him personally like i did he was mean and rude to everyone around him.

He used to argue with my at the time friends and call us all names too.

Also don't forget this is the same guy who said newborn babies should participate in porn as well.

He pretty much never actually cared about pedo rights he was just a narcissistic attention seeker who liked getting angry reactions out of people.