Why People Think Pedophilia is Wrong?

[Valerian]

If you ask people in general, what do you think about pedophilia, they will probably reply it is bad, wrong and they hate it. If you further probe into this question and ask why they think it is wrong, they will find it difficult to explain it clearly. They may leave this question to the Anti-pedo establishment experts to reply. The Anti-pedo experts will come up with the answers that we already guess, something like; pedophilia causes great harm and damages to the young children and will destroy their entire life. However If you ask the expert to prove their stand on the historical grounds and on its objective scientifical basis, they most probably will fail and start to present some highly moralistic subjective narratives, based on human ethical values, virginity virtues like children are pure, innocent blameless incapable of giving their sexual consent. Such replies completely lacks any comprehensive objective explanation on scientific basis about why they really think pedophilia is bad or wrong. However, I understand, peoples fear and hatred about pedophilia, stems from their genuine concerns although they are grounded on blind unscientific beliefs.
Let us help the experts to find some genuine scientific explanation about the common peoples anti pedophilia beliefs, which I think, they are not fully conscious about. It starts with the old but civilize belief system about overall human sexuality. People commonly see sex or sexuality emerges from the body part which are mainly involved in urination and excretion, people see and consider it as the dirtiest functions of the body and feel very shameful and bad about it and commonly avoid doing or showing it in public only to be done in private. People in general very much ashamed showing these body parts in public even after they are cleaned, as they consider these parts looks ugly, smells bad, triggers wicked sexual desires in the minds of the onlookers therefore a taboo, unlike the other part of their body.
Apart from the dirty bad things emerging from the sexual part of the body, there are far more important, risky and dangerous things yet to arrive when it enters into the sphere of, menstruation and ejaculation, right into its pregnancy consequences. It involves far more dangerous risk for women’s life, who has to remain nine months long in a precarious position in carrying the fetus and care for it further more, long years period after the child birth. All of it involves huge risk. Only adults are able to take the risk therefore, allowed to play this dirty wicked sexual games having grave consequences. Only the grown up people are permitted to do it only in private with each other and take the great responsibility under the contract of marriage.
In this regard children are considered as totally clean, pure and innocent specially because they don’t menstruate or ejaculate (I think, this is one of the reason why some adults highly attracted to children because they see children as pure, pristine, and innocent). Soiling them with adult males ejaculation or semen (that may also result in accidental pregnancies) is amounted to abhorrent wicked crime. However, when they started menstruating and start semen ejaculation in puberty, it is considered they are transformed from childhood into their adulthood, ready to play the adults dirty wicked sexual games.
It mainly happened because in the ancient civilized societies, when not covering genitals or openly showing it in public was a taboo. Most importantly, modern technological health facilities and scientific knowledge on sexual reproductive control and prevention measures were not available at that time. Therefore, the above mentioned ancient civilized belief of child sexuality was prevailing strongly. (See my take on adultery and homosexuality belief of that time.) Nevertheless, our ancestors did not consider anything wrong in pedophilia as it known today.
In fact forefathers and FOREMOTHERS totally supported the sexual relation (marriage) with the young aged girls who had reached puberty with the older males quite legitimate and practiced it all in their social life. The most important reason for it is; almost half (if not more) of the children born at that time died before they reached puberty, therefore it was the best insurance policy for the survival of their family and the society. Moreover, until some two hundred years ago the human life expectancy probably around 50 years. There can be some other reasons to add, like children joining the labour force early to assist their poor families. Due to all these reasons I believe that it was necessary for the common population to marry their children as soon as they reached puberty or before. However, perhaps it was not much necessary for the ruling wealthy class to marry their children early, because they could afford and access more health resources than the common people.
Therefore; I conclude in short that the modern technological advancement in birth control, disease prevention and other health safety facilities have mostly eliminated all those genuine fear and concerns about the extreme risk and involved in the human sexuality that prevailed which poses real risk and dangers in seeking sexual love pleasures for it own sake in the ancient civilized societies throughout the history. The common belief of pedophilia in general population is basically the feeling of shame, dirt aversion associated with the sexual parts and the strong belief emanates from the emotions, children being pure, virgin, innocent and blameless therefore should be protected until becoming sexually mature. These are the thoughts feelings and emotions that makes the common people still blindly hold on to those old ancient sexual beliefs.

PS. This piece of article subject to future revision, addition, omission and refinement. I would like to add this piece of writing to the main paper “ PEDOPHILIA INCEST SEXUAL TABOOS ARE BUILT ON CORRUPT FRAUDULENT UNSCIENTIFIC RESEARCH GROUNDS” in my blogpost
Herby, I invite the readers to contribute to this piece in any form, moderately expand it, share it with the like-minded and more.

I AM ALWAYS FOR HUMAN ETHICS OR MORALITY. HOWEVER, WHEN YOUR ETHICS AND MORALITY CRIMINALISES OTHERS, THEN IT NECESSARILY NEEDS SOLID SCIENTIFIC GROUND EVIDENCES TO PROVE IT.

[RoosterDance]

Not bad, but I believe your explanation here is not quite encompassing the whole.

What it all comes down to in the end is, people believe pedophilia is wrong because everyone's always believed that it's is wrong. And many don't really think about it any further than that. Those that do, will trust the experts, as you have said. And those experts are informed by a history of religious dogma. And because this belief is not based on reason, it cannot be deterred by reason.

I recently read a book that goes into a very detailed analysis of social attitudes about sex all around the world, and more importantly, the history behind it. Once I read that, it all became clear. I made a thread about it here.

In addition to the chapters I pointed out in that thread, relavant to your question, I also recommend checking out

Sex and the Law
for a detailed analysis of how our sex laws came to be.

As well as Sex and Religion
for a deep look at religion's relationship with sex throughout the ages.

[PorcelainLark]

People in general very much ashamed showing these body parts in public even after they are cleaned, as they consider these parts looks ugly, smells bad, triggers wicked sexual desires in the minds of the onlookers therefore a taboo, unlike the other part of their body.

Not necessarily, attitudes towards nudity appear to be culturally relative.
https://www.zeus.aegee.org/magazine/201 ... nd-europe/

It mainly happened because in the ancient civilized societies, when not covering genitals or openly showing it in public was a taboo.

How is your theory accounting for the fact that the ancients Greeks competed in athletics naked? An exception?
https://www.artsci.utoronto.ca/news/exp ... ent-greece

The most important reason for it is; almost half (if not more) of the children born at that time died before they reached puberty, therefore it was the best insurance policy for the survival of their family and the society. Moreover, until some two hundred years ago the human life expectancy probably around 50 years. There can be some other reasons to add, like children joining the labour force early to assist their poor families. Due to all these reasons I believe that it was necessary for the common population to marry their children as soon as they reached puberty or before. However, perhaps it was not much necessary for the ruling wealthy class to marry their children early, because they could afford and access more health resources than the common people.

I couldn't find data on the ages of mothers in the 19th century. Do you have a source? There are apparently a lot of health risks connected with early pregnancy.
https://utswmed.org/medblog/early-teen- ... lth-risks/

Therefore; I conclude in short that the modern technological advancement in birth control, disease prevention and other health safety facilities have mostly eliminated all those genuine fear and concerns about the extreme risk and involved in the human sexuality that prevailed which poses real risk and dangers in seeking sexual love pleasures for it own sake in the ancient civilized societies throughout the history.

Then wouldn't you expect the attitude during the 20th century to get more tolerant of pedophilia? However, the claim is that, historically, adolescent pregnancy was more common place. This feels like a contradiction.

[Valerian]

You said
Not necessarily, attitudes towards nudity appear to be culturally relative.
https://www.zeus.aegee.org/magazine/201 ... nd-europe/

How is your theory accounting for the fact that the ancients Greeks competed in athletics naked? An exception?
https://www.artsci.utoronto.ca/news/exp ... ent-greece

How is your theory accounting for the fact that the ancients Greeks competed in athletics naked? An exception?
https://www.artsci.utoronto.ca/news/exp ... ent-greece

I am talking about people in societies in general. You can not quote some minority examples in history as common practice in general to prove your point.

[Valerian]

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[Valerian]

To RoosterDance
https://forum.map-union.org/posting.php ... ply&t=1026

You said and I quote:

What it all comes down to in the end is, people believe pedophilia is wrong because everyone's always believed that it's is wrong. And many don't really think about it any further than that"

What about the most important part of my explanation why people believe in that way my entire explanation

People commonly see sex or sexuality emerges from the body part which are mainly involved in urination and excretion, people see and consider it as the dirtiest functions of the body and feel very shameful and bad about it and commonly avoid doing or showing it in public only to be done in private. People in general very much ashamed showing these body parts in public even after they are cleaned, as they consider these parts looks ugly, smells bad, triggers wicked sexual desires in the minds of the onlookers therefore a taboo, unlike the other part of their body.

Apart from the dirty bad things emerging from the sexual part of the body, there are far more important, risky and dangerous things yet to arrive when it enters into the sphere of, menstruation and ejaculation, right into its pregnancy consequences. It involves far more dangerous risk for women’s life, who has to remain nine months long in a precarious position in carrying the fetus and care for it further more, long years period after the child birth. All of it involves huge risk. Only adults are able to take the risk therefore, allowed to play this dirty wicked sexual games having grave consequences. Only the grown up people are permitted to do it only in private with each other and take the great responsibility under the contract of marriage.

In this regard children are considered as totally clean, pure and innocent specially because they don’t menstruate or ejaculate (I think, this is one of the reason why some adults highly attracted to children because they see children as pure, pristine, and innocent). Soiling them with adult males ejaculation or semen (that may also result in accidental pregnancies) is amounted to abhorrent wicked crime. However, when they started menstruating and start semen ejaculation in puberty, it is considered they are transformed from childhood into their adulthood, ready to play the adults dirty wicked sexual game”

After the continued long further explanation I finally arrive at the conclusion saying

“Therefore; I conclude in short that the modern technological advancement in birth control, disease prevention and other health safety facilities have mostly eliminated all those genuine fear and concerns about the extreme risk and involved in the human sexuality that prevailed which poses real risk and dangers in seeking sexual love pleasures for it own sake in the ancient civilized societies throughout the history. The common belief of pedophilia in general population is basically the feeling of shame, dirt aversion associated with the sexual parts and the strong belief emanates from the emotions, children being pure, virgin, innocent and blameless therefore should be protected until becoming sexually mature. These are the thoughts feelings and emotions that makes the common people still blindly hold on to those old ancient sexual beliefs.”

Does all these explanation have no meaning at all? or Is it commonly mentioned in all the pedophilia literature before? can you send me some of those links?

[Valerian]

You said

I couldn't find data on the ages of mothers in the 19th century. Do you have a source? There are apparently a lot of health risks connected with early pregnancy.
https://utswmed.org/medblog/early-teen- ... lth-risks/

The historical record data of the age for the girl child of the common people to marry is difficult to get you can mostly get the age of princesses and princes and I have explained in my article and I quote “it was not much necessary for the ruling wealthy class to marry their children early, because they could afford and access more health resources than the common people ” Nevertheless there are equal instances of princesses who married earlier than 18 are the following:
Princess Augusta Sophia of the United Kingdom (1782-1840 married at the age of 15.
Princess Elizabeth of the United Kingdom (1770-1840):
Princess Charlotte of Wales (1796-1817):
Princess Mary, Duchess of Gloucester and Edinburgh (1776-1857):
Princess Victoria of the United Kingdom (1840-1901):
All of them married at the age of 17
However if you search records of rest of the world at that period you may find the truth of what I am saying.

Now in reference to your link. Here I an not arguing that the pregnancy before the age of 18 is is ok. You need to understand the Historical context and the necessity of that time for the early age of marriage at that time. I am not sure whether you are contesting my argument of around half of the children at that time died before they reached the age of puberty.

[RoosterDance]

Does all these explanation have no meaning at all? or Is it commonly mentioned in all the pedophilia literature before? can you send me some of those links?

I'm saying your explanation is too narrow. Some people could have come to this conclusion through that thought process, but the origins of this belief and its spread throughout society have a lot more to them than just cleanliness.