The anti-contact identity as peformance

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PorcelainLark
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Re: The anti-contact identity as peformance

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TheOtherKindofPride wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2024 3:32 am That's a hopeful thought, but I just feel like the hatred against us has grown so deep and spread so far that even these few specs of temporary support don't feel like they've gotten us any closer to being treated any better.
Certainly, things have gotten progressively worse for MAPs, since the 1970s.
For every Camille Paglia or Barbra Streisand, there is a hundred Mutahar or Nuxtaku's, or even worse in regards to those who gather information on and even hack MAPs accounts to doxx them.
Mutahar is that guy who does videos about the dark web and Nuxtaku is anime Youtuber, right? Given their respective topics, I think most people would be suspicious if they didn't make statements condemning MAPs. Anime Youtubers that have built up their reputation on condemning and chasing off lolicons/shotacons, are scumbags in my opinion. That's what's appealing about anime from a Western perspective: it can tackle subjects that we're not able to talk about. I'm more comfortable with sweaty neckbeards than these theater kids who got into anime and changed it from a hobby for outsiders to a hobby for "outsiders". I'm not saying every transgender anime fan is a terrible person, but it really does feel like the majority of trans people kicked the ladder out from underneath them as soon as they saw an opportunity to get integrated into mainstream society.
Maybe I'm more in the internet side of things so my understanding of how this issue is tackled in real life is lacking, but I feel like the internet is being so incredible hostile, yet strangely hypocritical, about pedophilia, even of the cartoon variety, that the hatred of us overshadows any sort of neutrality or support we might have in either "realm".
It's overpopulated by Zoomers obsessed with drama. Sooner or later, they'll stop caring so much about what other people think about them. Once the dust has settled, they'll be able to reflect on their own experiences with lolicon and "grooming" (also, virtually any minor can catfish an adult into a relationship if they want to anyway via the internet, so the total number of intergenerational relationships has probably massively grown). I think once they stop caring what their peers think of them, they'll have to admit this stuff isn't a big deal.
Sure, there's the hope that most people are faking their outrage for ulterior reasons or have just not done enough introspection or realize how unreasonable they're being, maybe the prevalence of lolicon and lolis in media in general and how many people respond positively to it is a good indication that a lot of this overt hatred is a blown-up balloon made to look big and scary when it's actually just a loud minority, but that doesn't change the fact that there are intense laws that are strictly enforced against acting on these feelings in most countries, and basically nobody ever expresses sympathy for MAPs who are caught committing such crimes.
I'm convinced it's peer pressure. I feel like if humanity doesn't get over the mob mentality, it's not just MAPs that are going to suffer. The whole world is doomed. People have forgotten what it means to actually believe in something, as opposed to just trying to say the thing you think people want you to say.
I'd love to be so hopeful that the world is just one mask-slip away form being pro-MAP and that most people are at least neutral about pedophilia under the thin veil of hatred perpetuated by a small minority of weirdly influential hatemongers, but I cant bring myself to give in to that hope. I'm just too afraid of being devastatingly disappointed.
I feel you might be giving people too much credit, people are often fickle and shallow. If the CSA industry starts fragmenting, all it would take is some popular celebrity to come out as MAP, and society could change over night. I have no idea how you start that process though.

The way I see it, the CSA industry is kind of like the Communist party: inflexible, authoritarian, and with a strict party line. Any internal conflict puts the whole thing at risk. It can't integrate genuine feedback, hence why things like Rind et al. get swept under the rug. Even to the point that they'll attack MAPs that want to stay on the right side of the law, since it contradicts the idea of the MAP as an uncontrollable menace to society (a necessary myth for their existence). A bottom-up approach to sexual norms, would mean letting individuals, families, and communities decide for themselves whether this an accurate picture. There's no way, for example, every small community would always object to 25 year old marrying a 16 year old.
That's what democracy and self-governance entails; that people learn to pay attention to their own experience again instead of having their beliefs handed down to them from on high. It's not just that the CSA industry opposes our interests, there is a lack of transparency about how it reaches it's conclusions. For example, where is the evidence that PIM is a multibillion dollar industry? It's impossible to find how they reached that figure.
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Re: The anti-contact identity as peformance

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Completely agree that its mainly performance. All you have to do is start questioning them and their “anti contact” identity reveals itself.

“ALL SEXUAL CONTACT BETWEEN MINORS AND ADULTS IS EVIL AND TRAUMATIC NO MATTER WHAT AND SHOULD BE PUNISHED WITH THE HARSHEST EXTENT OF THE LAW.”

“Even 18 and 17?”

“Well no, not that”

“Even 19 and 17?”

“No I guess not”

“Even a 19 year old and their 16 year old classmate who theyve been dating since elementary school? Should he be murdered before hes even old enough to drink over a 30 month age gap?”

“I guess thats not bad”

“Do you think that any “victim” would be happy to know that they are responsible for the state sanctioned murder of someone who they loved, cared, and trusted over a brief and willing sexual encounter? Do you genuinely think that benefits the victim psychologically in any way, shape or form? Is sex really worse than death itself?”

“Well I suppose not”

“Do you think a high-school senior should face decades of detainment and be permanently put on the SO registry for kissing a willing freshman?”

“I suppose that is kind of ridiculous”

“Do you think an intellectually disabled adult with down syndrome should be tortured and murdered over a sexual encounter with a teenager that has a higher iq than them? Is prison or murder always necessary and is the adult always the abuser? Even in the case of adults who are so developmentally stunted that they cant talk and need help tying their shoes being coerced into sex by horny teenagers? Does he deserve the firing squad, iq of 40 or not?”

“That is a little cruel I guess”

“Do you think a man with a life and family should be executed like a common dog over sucking some teenagers dick? Is a sloppy toppy really so abusive and traumatic that it warrants literal death?”

“Maybe not”

“Do you really think that ass eating or a handjob is so inherently evil and traumatic, even compared to acts like beating children or neglecting babies that it deserves death?”

“Well when you put it like that I sound fucking stupid”
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Re: The anti-contact identity as peformance

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PorcelainLark
Anime Youtubers that have built up their reputation on condemning and chasing off lolicons/shotacons, are scumbags in my opinion
It's more the sterilized 'safe-hatred' and hypocrisy that gets me. It's a safe topic to fuel outrage at certain groups of people, which I believe is why you see so may political extremists use the term "pedo" and such as a general insult towards people they don't like, regardless of the reason. Its like charging an attack: they load the terms "pedo" up with as much negative energy as they can, just so it'll have as much impact as possible when they unleash it towards any other target they don't like.
Plus as Rev Says Desu has pointed out countless time via his "your likes are public" bits, they are also lolicons/pedophiles to some degree. They just hide it behind performative hatred of us.
If every man was forced to admit how they really feel about children, completely, you'd see a lot more MAPs all of a sudden. I'll die on this hill.
I'm not saying every transgender anime fan is a terrible person, but it really does feel like the majority of trans people kicked the ladder out from underneath them as soon as they saw an opportunity to get integrated into mainstream society.
The Outsider Effect, and inversely the group-think/group-behavior effect, is a lot of what we see from these bad actors, towing a line they feel they have to tow in order to be accepted by people they consider to be socially acceptable. When you don't feel the desire to do that, or don't feel like you can do that, you tend to be more true to who you really are, even if that's "dark". But once you start chasing clout, you change, at least outwardly, like how Game Grumps became very woke and PC when they started taking themselves more seriously as a business, edited and deleting old videos that they felt was too racist or sexist towards women.
As soon as you go from being and accepting that you are a second class citizen to getting even a crumb of potential social acceptability, some people will sacrifice their soul for that. They have so much to gain by just hiding their power level a bit, their integrity doesn't seem like such a big cost in the moment. And if you're already big, you have so much to lose by being too honest and real, why take that risk when you can just keep hiding the truth and remain popular/wealthy?
It's overpopulated by Zoomers obsessed with drama. Sooner or later, they'll stop caring so much about what other people think about them
The problem is that new zoomers will take their place, perpetuating the cycle. I don't care so much that zoomers eventually mellow out, maybe, i care that the internet becomes a less hostile place for those with differing feelings about things, more like hw it used to be. If this problem of young people ruining the internet doesn't get nipped in the bud, things wont improve, or they'll get worse...
I feel like if humanity doesn't get over the mob mentality, it's not just MAPs that are going to suffer. The whole world is doomed.
I'm convinced that it's the long-term effects of the wide-spread availability of the internet allowing too many people to interact with each other at the same time at al times for too many years. It's like having a dozen voices in your head pulling you in too many directions at once. Even if you have two or three you can maybe manage, but too many and you have no grounding for what's real or true and you go crazy. It's best to have maybe two or three voice; a conscious, subconscious and devil's advocate, just so you don't get stuck in dogmatic thinking (subconscious) or lose the ability to consider other peoples perspectives (conscience). and devil's advocate lets you consider completely opposite or "evil" opinions to your current ones and take them seriously for a moment to see if you're being too biased or not. I feel like too man people are stuck in subconscious mode, just going along with their gut feelings and 'vibes' rather than thinking critically and broadly.
But i can't realy blame them since questioning the status quo and having "harmful opinions" has been very personally costly for awhile now.
If the CSA industry starts fragmenting, all it would take is some popular celebrity to come out as MAP, and society could change over night
MJ so nearly could have done this, in better conditions and if he more seriously advocated for more sympathy towards MAPs. He was the closest to living the dream as anyone, being god-like in popularity to the point where he could have kids over at his house regularly and even once the rumors started spreading, many still supported him even despite not having hard evidence in hos favor yet. It was crazy and still is. But nothing like that has happened since. Epstein was universally hated and now their basically conspiracy theories about pedophilia being around every corner, or under ever pizzeria. Of course they're not entirely wrong, but the hatred associated with it is. The goal is to change this negative energy into positive, but it's way, way easier to do the opposite...
The way I see it, the CSA industry is kind of like the Communist party: inflexible, authoritarian, and with a strict party line
What's more is that it's lie how on paper, it sounds great, a world with no chance or inequality because everyone and everything is geared towards it. But with how it works in reality, humans just aren't wired to work that way, not completely. It's nice to strive or that goal, but you can't actually get there without brutal authoritarianism or every single human being geared towards the ideal, which requires either magic, or dictatorship.
The same applies to the CSA industry. They fight agaisnt human nature as hard as they can, trying to achieve the ideal world where nothing they consider to be CSA ever happens, and no one even wants to do it ever. But that's just not possible without magic, or brutal dictatorship.
Freedom includes the freedom to be attracted to different kinds of people, and sometimes those kinds of people are based on age, not just race or sex. But they can't accept this, because they are terrified about the possibility that their adorable property might become tainted by ungodly, sinful lust, or just the ability to make decisions they don't like. It's ironically objectification of children really.
It's hyper-religious, prudish purity culture when it's done to adults, and it's not much different when it's done to children. Especially since 17 year olds are considered "children" to so many out-of-touch Americans...
Even to the point that they'll attack MAPs that want to stay on the right side of the law, since it contradicts the idea of the MAP as an uncontrollable menace to society (a necessary myth for their existence)
The black man must always been see as a savage sexual menace to the pure, virginal white woman.
The Jew must always be seen as an existential threat to the ubermensch and stability of the Aryan civilization.
The white man must always been the root cause of ell the worlds problems.
The narratives of fascism comes in many forms.
There's no way, for example, every small community would always object to 25 year old marrying a 16 year old.
Given complete personal, democratic freedom? It would be the greatest act of solidarity that humanity has ever witnessed. It would be a great argument in favor of miracles (negative miracles).

It's not just that the CSA industry opposes our interests, there is a lack of transparency about how it reaches it's conclusions. For example, where is the evidence that PIM is a multibillion dollar industry? It's impossible to find how they reached that figure.
The best part about illegal activities is that it's very, very easy to make up statistic about them, because the only way to know for sure is to get so balls deep into it, that you yourself become a criminal and must tow the line of the underground industry, else face terrible suffering and death. It's almost as if it's made this way on purpose, as if the law is designed in a way to cleverly allow for such an industry to flourish in some brutal way. I'm sure it's just a coincidence...


G@yWad43
Completely agree that its mainly performance. All you have to do is start questioning them and their “anti contact” identity reveals itself.
I'm going to reply as if i quoted your entire diatribe (i don't mean that derogatorily, BTW, just descriptively.

The problem with your diatribe is that the person being questioned is being honest. Most people are not honest when answering these questions. They're to busy finding ways to spin it against their enemies or defend themselves from suspicion, false or otherwise. The world is far too hostile a place for most people to answer these questions honesty and openly. You can't have a serious discussion about these kinds of topics anymore, there's too much knee-jerk outrage and team-sports going on for that to be possible. Sure, in their heart-of-hearts they may want to answer this way, but there's no way you will get most people to do so under even the most private of circumstances, much less public. You basically have to entrap people to have even the slightest chance. This is something I do, colloquially speaking, on ATF (All The Fallen) and on some ERP sites I use. Encouraging people to be more open and use more "direct language" in the feelings they admit to having. The goal for me is getting more people to feel more comfortable admitting their feelings and desires, going from only being into lolicon (the full lie) to admitting that lolicon is basically drawn CP but they're not into real kids (closer to the truth) to admitting they themselves are actually real life pedophiles (the actual truth). It's a process, but I think sites like ATF helps a lot in that regard, as people feel more free to openly call themselves pedophiles while getting off to cartoon children.

The "darker" aspects of it is potentially convincing people to be into children when they otherwise naturally wouldn't be, but as far as I'm aware, that's not really possible, as pedophilia is apparently more hardwired than that from what I remember.
But even if it is possible, to say that's a bad thing is to say that "natural" pedophilia is a bad thing, which I don't believe is the case, any more than natural homosexuality is a bad thing. It's only a problem if you hurt the person you're attracted to because of your attraction to them. No sexual preference for a type of person is inherently harmful, despite what anti's might say.
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