Are MAPs about to face genocide?

[Artaxerxes II]

You know what I was thinking recently, guys? The ten stages of genocide as postulated by Gregory Stanton, but with MAPs as the victims. If we are undergoing genocide, we are certainly in-between stages 4 and 5: Dehumanisation and Organization.

Stage 4: MAPs are dehumanised, whether it's via vile jokes inciting violence against us, or calls for our deaths by both regular civilians and public figures (see "Woodchipper" and "pedocillln" antagonistic humour, and recent calls by politicians for harsher penalties for even PIM possession). Examples include the constant negative media portrayal of us be it in the news or pop culture (e.g., the way sexual offences committed by MAPs are often referred to as "pedophilia" even though the term exclusively refers to attraction). Not even mainstream academia spares us from attacks.

Stage 5: Vigilante violence and murders against sex offence registrants fit into what genocide scholars determine as "Organization", where groups are formed with the specific purposes of harming the desired target, in our case MAPs and their allies.

Now that populist regimes are rising in Europe, North America, and Southeast Asia, we might come closer and closer to stage 6: Polarisation. As economic and social woes increase, the new populist governments at the helm of those regions will intensify rhetoric against MAPs by using them as scapegoats to pass laws intended to bring harm to MAPs and by utilising rhetorics to create an us vs them political atmosphere between MAPs and allies against antis, thus dividing society and eroding civil liberties (as seen by anti-CP laws that have the effect of curtailing online speech and privacy).

The coming years will be worrying. Unless the pedo spook is such that it becomes out of touch with the public and thus defanged of its social power, things seem to get worse for MAPs worldwide year by year.

[Bookshelf]

I personally find it less likely that we'll be subject to a genocide than other groups with similar experiences because there's two things about us that make us a little different.

First, as Fragment said, we're more easily hidden. Those of us that don't offend might never be found out, and those that do offend aren't guaranteed to be caught. They would have to exclusively target caught and convicted MAPs, which is a fraction of our population — and might risk upsetting those worried about wrongful convictions and the like.

Second, due to the fact that anyone can be one of us, if in some theoretical scenario where they could point MAPs out without us first having to do something to draw attention to ourselves, it would result in too many non-MAPs losing their family members to the genocide. Genocides against other groups usually only works because those committing it have little to no contact with the oppressed group; a whole family dying is a family they don't care about. A genocide against us, however, will result in grandparents, parents, siblings, best friends, children etc of non-MAPs being killed. The oppressor group will suffer losses too.

Overall, I am somewhat hopeful for the future. I think pedo hysteria will eventually reach its limit and collapse in on itself. The more extreme sexceptionalism gets (Eg, claiming people under 25 can't really consent), the more likely people are to start questioning the system that perpetuates it.

[RoosterDance]

I just looked up those then stages and it is indeed crazy how similar that is. Furthermore, I think it's particularly insidious how all the big media outlets are censoring any opposing opinions, thus allowing the fearmongering to spread unchallenged.

But I think Bookshelf has a point. And Fragment too. Because it targets our own citizenry, it likely wont be able to reach full genocide. But I can certainly see this demagoguery continuing for a while yet.

[FairBlueLove]

I don't think it is appropriate to talk about genocide. You cannot eradicate something which is part of human nature (and with all probability part of other species too). New MAPs are born at each generation, and so it will be forever and ever.

[RoosterDance]

You cannot eradicate something which is part of human nature

That won't stop certain people from trying. But again, I have faith that other factors will.

[PorcelainLark]

I wouldn't be surprised. Consider that Trump could easily pardon vigilantes that kill pedophiles and have overwhelming public support. As long as you're not at the bottom of the food chain, you can have the illusion of safety. However as Martin Niemöller wrote:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Next it will be LGBT people, and they'll see that all the dehumanization and disavowal they did to MAPs won't save them from the mob.

I don't think we have any power to stop it. We just have to wait it out, because populism is going to destroy so much that, sooner or later, it will have to be reigned in, not for our sake but for the whole of society.

[Valerian]

Artaxerxes II
With my full respect to your given view, I would say MAP genocide never will happen because, otherwise, they have to wipe out the entire human race, at least. I believe MAP is biologically ingrained in all humans “More or Less”. I believe it is the social environment that some of it start flourishing and the others totally suppressed.

[Riva]

I don't think it is appropriate to talk about genocide. You cannot eradicate something which is part of human nature (and with all probability part of other species too). New MAPs are born at each generation, and so it will be forever and ever.

What's an example of a genocide where the victim group actually became extinct? If your definition of genocide excludes the holocaust, it probably is unreasonably restrictive.

[FairBlueLove]

I don't think it is appropriate to talk about genocide. You cannot eradicate something which is part of human nature (and with all probability part of other species too). New MAPs are born at each generation, and so it will be forever and ever.

What's an example of a genocide where the victim group actually became extinct? If your definition of genocide excludes the holocaust, it probably is unreasonably restrictive.

I meant what also Valerian is saying here above. Minor attraction is part of being human. A genocide potentially eliminates a group forever, but with MAPs is different: You can get rid of all MAPs, but non-MAPs parents can always 'generate' MAP children.

That said, the fact that what is going on is not technically a genocide, doesn't make it less serious. Even more so, it should make the antis reflect that they are tilting at windmills.

[zosen]

That's exactly my thought for the last few months. I think people, who downplay the risk of it, underestimate what the future holds in terms of finding out who is a MAP. Mass surveillance with the help of AI can basically lead to arrests through simple search prompts. Might even go so far that we will have mandatory brain scans looking for specific "pedophilic" parts, it wouldn't even matter how many people would technically fall under those conditions, it's all about taking control of a dangerous group after all. Seriously, it might sound a bit exaggerated, but that would be all the result of a slow process we possibly experience already now.

Fascism is on the rise again, and it might become more evil than it ever was. We present the perfect target for being the ultimate scapegoat. Most conspiracy theories about MAPs are basically the same that once were used for Jews. The "woke" culture, that currently finds it end, has left a mass of people that lowered their tolerance towards sexual minorities significantly. The moral panic about anything that possibly "violates" sexual consent is already on its peak. What is the main reason of LBGTQ being considered as a danger and therefore not being widely accepted? It's all about the sexualization of children and normalizing pedophilia after all. Even if the discourse is still very quiet about us, it only needs one push and we become the new cultural phenomena that must be eradicated.

Trump's America is probably the optimal starting point for all this, as it's also the most hostile country to MAPs already. He advocates for death penalty and there are voices who demand criminal pedophiles to fall under this category. Who will stop them expanding their own definition for who is a criminal pedophile? Why does no one consider pedophilia becoming a crime on its own in the future? All what's happening in the world right now is truly scary and especially for us. I hope for the best, as I'm usually optimistic about things, but in this case I have a very bad feeling..