I think the key to the problem is how to make these dark web users give up their indifferent attitude and actively protect their rights. However, in my experience, I have met several MAPs with liberal conservative stances on encrypted chat software. They are worried that the MAP movement will be hijacked by extreme political factions and therefore refuse to participate. I think it is also important to dispel their concerns.
On the other hand, many people have a "muddling through" attitude. Unless the war against MAP breaks out completely, they are still willing to stay in their comfort zone and enjoy PIM. Many of them lack the courage to become heroes, but many people are also worried that their identities will be exposed and punished for supporting MAP, although supporting MAP does not necessarily mean that they have to disclose their identities.
If you want to talk about the situation in China, then I can also say that the situation in China is also very simple. Almost 99% of Chinese people don’t even know the term MAP. Many people’s cognition still remains on “pedo”. Even the MAP in China thinks they are guilty.
Essay: A Call for the Abolition of Apathy
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My understanding was that people in China are generally quite naive about adults being attracted to children, especially boylovers. Is that not correct?
Where I live, a man befriending a boy is not considered a big deal. It's relatively easy for a boylover to make YFs if he/she has a respectable job. A man befriending a girl would be viewed with more suspicion, but not to the same degree as in western countries. How about in China? Are people very suspicious about men interacting with children?
Where I live, a man befriending a boy is not considered a big deal. It's relatively easy for a boylover to make YFs if he/she has a respectable job. A man befriending a girl would be viewed with more suspicion, but not to the same degree as in western countries. How about in China? Are people very suspicious about men interacting with children?
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A Call for the Abolition of Apathy
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The Push
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If an adult man is found dating a little girl, even if there is no physical contact between them, they will be 100% questioned and opposed in China. If an adult man is dating a little boy, it is not necessarily questioned and opposed, and they may even be considered to be just friends, but if others know that they are in a romantic relationship, then the adult man will also be persecuted.BLueRibbon wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:28 am My understanding was that people in China are generally quite naive about adults being attracted to children, especially boylovers. Is that not correct?
Where I live, a man befriending a boy is not considered a big deal. It's relatively easy for a boylover to make YFs if he/she has a respectable job. A man befriending a girl would be viewed with more suspicion, but not to the same degree as in western countries. How about in China? Are people very suspicious about men interacting with children?
I may need to explain one thing, that is, in ancient China, love between an adult man and a little boy was also despised. For example, there is a word "脔童" to describe this relationship. Of course, this word is purely derogatory. Although the "断袖之癖" looks beautiful, it is also unpopular among the Chinese public.
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Thank you for your explanation. A lot of BLs think China is some kind of BL paradise because a lot of gay PIM allegedly comes from there. I guess the reality is different.White sea Snow Elf wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 9:55 pmIf an adult man is found dating a little girl, even if there is no physical contact between them, they will be 100% questioned and opposed in China. If an adult man is dating a little boy, it is not necessarily questioned and opposed, and they may even be considered to be just friends, but if others know that they are in a romantic relationship, then the adult man will also be persecuted.BLueRibbon wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:28 am My understanding was that people in China are generally quite naive about adults being attracted to children, especially boylovers. Is that not correct?
Where I live, a man befriending a boy is not considered a big deal. It's relatively easy for a boylover to make YFs if he/she has a respectable job. A man befriending a girl would be viewed with more suspicion, but not to the same degree as in western countries. How about in China? Are people very suspicious about men interacting with children?
I may need to explain one thing, that is, in ancient China, love between an adult man and a little boy was also despised. For example, there is a word "脔童" to describe this relationship. Of course, this word is purely derogatory. Although the "断袖之癖" looks beautiful, it is also unpopular among the Chinese public.
I'm sorry to hear that it's so hard for GLs in particular.
Brian Ribbon, Mu Co-Founder and Strategist
A Call for the Abolition of Apathy
The Push
Pro-Reform
16/12
A Call for the Abolition of Apathy
The Push
Pro-Reform
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You're welcome. It's probably because Chinese people lack a sound sex education and subconsciously believe that same-sex relationships are much less likely than heterosexual ones, which leads to most Chinese people not caring much about BL or homosexuality, but that doesn't mean they are tolerant.BLueRibbon wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:16 amThank you for your explanation. A lot of BLs think China is some kind of BL paradise because a lot of gay PIM allegedly comes from there. I guess the reality is different.White sea Snow Elf wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 9:55 pmIf an adult man is found dating a little girl, even if there is no physical contact between them, they will be 100% questioned and opposed in China. If an adult man is dating a little boy, it is not necessarily questioned and opposed, and they may even be considered to be just friends, but if others know that they are in a romantic relationship, then the adult man will also be persecuted.BLueRibbon wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:28 am My understanding was that people in China are generally quite naive about adults being attracted to children, especially boylovers. Is that not correct?
Where I live, a man befriending a boy is not considered a big deal. It's relatively easy for a boylover to make YFs if he/she has a respectable job. A man befriending a girl would be viewed with more suspicion, but not to the same degree as in western countries. How about in China? Are people very suspicious about men interacting with children?
I may need to explain one thing, that is, in ancient China, love between an adult man and a little boy was also despised. For example, there is a word "脔童" to describe this relationship. Of course, this word is purely derogatory. Although the "断袖之癖" looks beautiful, it is also unpopular among the Chinese public.
I'm sorry to hear that it's so hard for GLs in particular.
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I wanted to appreciate the essay author for the essay. It does in fact make a MAP seethe with righteous anger. I also want to commend the author on advocating for non-violent action, which I believe in strongly, even though it may be massively frustrating while MAPs are assaulted both judicially and extra-judicially. That's about it from me right now, but I do indeed want to help.
198 methods of non-violent action: https://www.brandeis.edu/peace-conflict ... action.pdf
198 methods of non-violent action: https://www.brandeis.edu/peace-conflict ... action.pdf
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Thank you for your comment, and for the link. I will add the link to the essay after checking.PATHFINDER wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:24 pm I wanted to appreciate the essay author for the essay. It does in fact make a MAP seethe with righteous anger. I also want to commend the author on advocating for non-violent action, which I believe in strongly, even though it may be massively frustrating while MAPs are assaulted both judicially and extra-judicially. That's about it from me right now, but I do indeed want to help.
198 methods of non-violent action: https://www.brandeis.edu/peace-conflict ... action.pdf
Brian Ribbon, Mu Co-Founder and Strategist
A Call for the Abolition of Apathy
The Push
Pro-Reform
16/12
A Call for the Abolition of Apathy
The Push
Pro-Reform
16/12