Which you think should be the next steps in MAP Activism?

[liliets]

As I have mentioned in a past post I think is really important for going forward that we distinguish from sadistic persons that are attracted to children, the same way adult attracted people Distinguish from sadistic persons that are attracted to adults.

To go forward we first need to be understood.

The correct (not forcing) way for a people understand each other is though empathy.

But for people (including us MAPs) is hard to feel empathy towards someone who they think enjoys hurting people (In this case children), the same way people who are attracted to adults can not relate to the ones who hurt other adults.

People can understand even if they can not feel the same way about someone likes and dislikes.

We MAPs (at least me) can understand people who are attracted to adults even when I am not attracted to adults because I know people that hurts are not the same as them. By making comparison we should be able to be understood by them. The same way most of them an us MAPs have accepted the feelings of Gay people and Lesbian people.

Every time an abuse case appears and the ones involved are attracted to children will make us MAPs look worse because people see them as a cover or reference of all of us.

But in all (pretty recurrent) times an abuse case of someone who is attracted to adults appears it does not affect at all how people see persons who are attracted to adults.

How do you think this could be made? Do you have more ideas of important steps in MAP Activism? Let them be know.

[Julia]

What you're saying is quite right. I have come out to an enormous amount of people once, and this was my main point as well. Relatively speaking, it was quite successful; I changed tens of thousands of people's minds. It only needs to be well written, explained in clear and simple terms, and anyone who is not completely stuck in their own views can understand. It also helps if the messenger is highly esteemed by the audience to begin with.

What is also important to note is that in most cases, rape has nothing to do with attraction; i.e. most rapists do not actually experience attraction to their victim. Their motivation is only to dominate; to feel powerful. As such, most child rapists are not attracted to children. Rapists tend to pick an easy target who can't fight back, hence they often target children. Then, when they get caught, they are erroneously seen as and called "pedophiles," and we get the hate despite being the last people who would do such a thing.

[Valerian]

But for people (including us MAPs) is hard to feel empathy towards someone who they think enjoys hurting people (In this case children), the same way people who are attracted to adults can not relate to the ones who hurt other adults.

In my studies i find that it is the it is mainly the zealot feminist with thier overreach propaganda (perhaps the conservative patriarchy also played a part in it) which converted the pedophiles into a sadist criminals,

[liliets]

But for people (including us MAPs) is hard to feel empathy towards someone who they think enjoys hurting people (In this case children), the same way people who are attracted to adults can not relate to the ones who hurt other adults.

Maybe some but there are people who are born that way. As Julia in the reply above said and I have heard too, that most of then are not even pedophiles which is crazy that we are being misjudged because of someone that is not even like us

[MemeticTheory]

How about multidisciplinary approach, take for example, I hope I am not breaking the rules/TOS but I heard MDMA and oxytocin can both help reduce outgroup bias. science text below...

Oxytocin and Bias:

"As a result of evolutionary selective processes, humans possess a genuine propensity to contrast ingroup members (“us”) from outgroup members (“them”) (3). This dichotomy is adaptive, as ingroup members could not have survived and reproduced without altruistic cooperation [i.e., the goodwill and reciprocity of other ingroup members (7, 8)]. Only recently has neuroscience begun to dissect the biological components of altruistic cooperation and identified oxytocin (OXT), an evolutionarily conserved peptide signaling pathway originating in the mammalian hypothalamus (9), to be a key modulator (10). These insights could be gained because intranasally administered OXT (OXTIN) penetrates the brain (11–13) and alters measures of neural and behavioral response (14). Specifically, OXTIN has been revealed to enhance social cooperation (15), generosity (16), and empathy (17, 18); to induce an altruistic response bias away from nonsocial toward social priorities (19); and to reinforce parochial preferences for outgroup hostility and ingroup centricity (20, 21). Consistent with the latter are findings from field studies of wild chimpanzees showing that heightened endogenous release of OXT correlates with greater ingroup cohesion during intergroup conflict (22). Furthermore, OXTIN facilitates social norm conformity (23–25). Social norms, and personally costly sanctions against defectors of these norms, an inclination defined as altruistic punishment, may have evolved to protect ingroup biases from erosion through selfish motives (26–29)." -Oxytocin-enforced norm compliance reduces xenophobic outgroup rejection

MDMA and bias:

MDMA and the story of the white supremacist who took it and renounced his hatred...
"MDMA cannot magically change the most entrenched extreme political views, but at the right moment, it may open some people's minds to alternatives" -How a dose of MDMA transformed a white supremacist


Maybe once society uses personal biotechnology and neuro-technologies we could reduce implicit biases and outright hatred and disregard.
(Look into neuro-feedback, TMS of the prefrontal cortex, various psychoactive and psychiatric medications (Lithium and MDMA both increase prosocial behaviours, and more) (Not endorsing drug use, just pointing out that chemicals/social pharmacology can used to reduce hate in society)

[Grunko]

I don’t know whether a petition on change.org would be a good step of reaching people and sharing awareness about them. Or do you think it would be risky.

[Jim Burton]

Bar projecting a negative image, what is the downside risk of conducting visibility operations online?

[MemeticTheory]

Bar projecting a negative image, what is the downside risk of conducting visibility operations online?

Hmmm...what about a AI-voiced documentary like something 2-3 hours long that would be on youtube to pill normies and others

[Outis]

I think the problem is that theres so little genuine information put out about maps that it leaves a void that is filled with assumption, dark imaginations, stereotypes and groups exploiting the void for their own purposes (governments for power grabs, anti's for self-promotion etc).

As part of some research recently I was reading through some psychology papers on maps to learn where researchers stand and the challenges they see. One thing that surprised me as that researchers do genuinely understand that maps are not necessarily harmful or bad people, that there's a difference between a pedophile and an abuser, and that one problem often highlighted is that the public doesn't understand this and the publics misconceptions hinders research. It isn't just maps who are frustrated by public misconceptions, researchers can be frustrated to because they want to see their science more understood and appreciated and for people to better understand what maps are and what they are not. They cite many of the same problems such as the public having very incorrect views about pedophiles which leads to distress and problems for pedophiles who are not criminals and can allow some groups to exploit this for nefarious purposes.

I think the next step should be about working with researchers to better educate the public. Remove the misconceptions, show that maps are ordinary people leading ordinary lives and are as appauled by child suffering as anybody else. Maps are not rapists stalking the streets at night hunting kids. Most abusers are not even classed as pedophiles, they are opportunists and people abusing kids for other reasons such as feelings of power and control.

If we can get to that point then it undermines harmful laws and actions targeting pedophiles just for being pedophiles and can then lead onto more meaningful and respectful conversations about treating maps with dignity as equals while what safeguarding children means because abuse of anybody is wrong.