Was anyone here abused as a child?

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Re: Was anyone here abused as a child?

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Outis wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 9:50 am Bullying, fights with my siblings, struggling sometimes with school, having a man in my life who listened, gave good advice, cared and who I could have moments of joy with without worrying about that other stuff, I shudder to imagine growing up without him in my life.
My maternal grandfather had a comparable role in my life. He never did anything to me... but prior to my birth, he was a serial rapist of girls in the family, including my mother. Given that my father contributed fairly little to my life, and ended up abandoning us, my grandpa's role in my life was a critically important one. When I learned about his past in my late teens, it certainly made me question the narrative about "abusers", albeit in a very different way than your experience, of course, since his actions were unquestionably immoral. I'm grateful to my mother and other victims that they didn't involve the authorities, although they very much could have.
Outis wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 9:50 am I reassured him that it was fine and that they are the way they are because they love him and worry for him but actually he's a good guy and I'm always available to talk if he needs someone to talk to. I encouraged the family to accept him as he is and it took many years but they are now very supportive of him and have come to terms with it.
He's lucky to have had you around. When my mother learned that I had paedophilic desires (I was only 13), there was nobody to speak to me. Only my mother's terror and nowhere to go. I wish I'd have had Mu back then, although I was still in denial at the time. Those were difficult days.
Outis wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 9:50 am A similar thing happened with a daughter of theirs who got into trouble watching porn which freaked everyone out and yet again I was asked to speak to her because they had no idea how to talk about anything so sensitive. I talked to her about why she shouldn't do that, that's it's normal to be curious and porn can be pleasurable and addictive but it makes her family worry and it's distracting when she should focus on studies and friendships etc. Again if she needed to talk then she knows where I am.
Ugh. I can't approve of what you told her. I am strongly opposed to the idea that anyone "shouldn't" look at porn, unless it causes the person him/herself actual distress. I had to endure so many speeches from my mother, uncle, and other family members about my supposed "porn addiction" (which wasn't one). Pornography was very helpful in those years, and finding myself without it at the family cottage led to the only time in my life I had sexually predatory thoughts. That certainly did cause distress. Looking at porn never did. Some lolicon works are still among my all-time favourite works of art to this day, and I still follow some of the same artists I loved as a teenager.

I am of the rather radical opinion that "pornography", even (and sometimes especially) the most "obscene", is art, that it's an important part of human expression, and that there is no meaningful distinction between "erotica" and "pornography". I'd compare my relationship to erotica/pornography to that I have with music: it certainly is habit-forming, I have a huge collection, I sometimes spend too long obsessing over it, I'm sad and depressed when I don't have it in my life, but that's not due to "addiction" and rather because it fills an existential void in my soul. I'm very glad I have it, and my teenage years were the time I was happiest to have it.
Outis wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 9:50 am I would say the biggest impact on my life from being a map is just I'm more empathetic to others and much slower to judge. Also knowing my own experiences has made it not something to fear or see as a traumatic thing. It didn't make me go out and molest anyone. Did it make me a map? I don't know but I don't think it did.
Being a MAP has also certainly made me less judgmental, more compassionate, and more prone to questioning all dominant narratives.

As for what "made me" a MAP... I learned in my late teens that the majority of men in my extended family are girl-child rapists, so it's likely that there's a prominent genetic component to my sexuality. I have all the corresponding paraphilias: girl-love, biastophilia, and mild sadism. It was probably even harder for me to come to terms with my attraction than a lot of MAPs because I do have those added rapey desires that completely contradict my broader personality and sometimes feel like demonic possession. My first reaction was to enforce on myself a strict moral code and develop an intense inner will to act morally. I took ethics courses in university and wrote articles on the topic. I didn't want to end up doing what those men did, no matter what. I'd choose suicide over that, and it's something I did contemplate repeatedly.

I wish I could say I'm comfortable enough with my identity as a MAP that I wouldn't change it if I could, but that's not the case. I hope I'll reach such a point eventually.
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Re: Was anyone here abused as a child?

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No, but I wish sometimes that someone did play with me...screwed up, I know.
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Re: Was anyone here abused as a child?

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WavesInEternity wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 11:04 pm Ugh. I can't approve of what you told her. I am strongly opposed to the idea that anyone "shouldn't" look at porn, unless it causes the person him/herself actual distress. I had to endure so many speeches from my mother, uncle, and other family members about my supposed "porn addiction" (which wasn't one). Pornography was very helpful in those years, and finding myself without it at the family cottage led to the only time in my life I had sexually predatory thoughts. That certainly did cause distress. Looking at porn never did. Some lolicon works are still among my all-time favourite works of art to this day, and I still follow some of the same artists I loved as a teenager.

I am of the rather radical opinion that "pornography", even (and sometimes especially) the most "obscene", is art, that it's an important part of human expression, and that there is no meaningful distinction between "erotica" and "pornography". I'd compare my relationship to erotica/pornography to that I have with music: it certainly is habit-forming, I have a huge collection, I sometimes spend too long obsessing over it, I'm sad and depressed when I don't have it in my life, but that's not due to "addiction" and rather because it fills an existential void in my soul. I'm very glad I have it, and my teenage years were the time I was happiest to have it.
I understand why you feel that and I suspect you are right and I was wrong except the reason I guided her in that direction was because I felt it was the only way she would really connect with her parents and family. Getting her parents to accept a gay person in the family was a struggle, getting them to accept their daughter is getting off on kinky porn would be a whole other level. I just felt if I presented it as a friend without telling her she's bad for those feelings or for wanting to watch porn, but that she should refrain so she doesn't have a difficult conflict with her parents. Was it the right advice to give? I don't know, the alternative was that she continued to watch porn and she'd have to deal with very harsh parental consequences.

Actually that gay son finally settled down with a boyfriend, a good guy, but he got into trouble for cp. Now I expected the family to explode but they didn't, they flat out refused to believe it and again asked me to talk to him and reassure him. Not sure why I get roped into these things. He denied it of course, claimed it must have been planted, I don't know if that's true but all I did was reassure him that either way I'm there if he wants to talk.

I think the experiences of being a map has made me more empathetic and people see that and ask me to help in situations where they struggle with empathy. It would be interesting to learn whether increased empathy is quite broad in maps or rather, are maps more empathetic than non-maps in general? I often hear people talking about maps not having empathy but I'd like to see the evidence that is based upon.
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Re: Was anyone here abused as a child?

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Outis wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 9:02 am Was it the right advice to give? I don't know, the alternative was that she continued to watch porn and she'd have to deal with very harsh parental consequences.
To be fair, I did have to deal with "harsh consequences": long speeches, restrictions on computer use, strict parental filters, an actual system of mirrors so my mother could see what I was doing on the family computer at all times... I stood my ground month after month, year after year, until I saved money to buy my own laptop computer at 14. That was a way to tell my family: we're not going to agree about this, let's agree to disagree and please leave me be. With ubiquitous smartphone use among teenagers, the situation might be quite different now.

What I personally would have told that teenage girl would probably have been to compare porn with delicious but weird exotic food: it's something that conservative parents will find disgusting, but it can be awesome for curious and open-minded people as long as you don't overdo it. Moderation is key, and she should probably hide her porn use from her parents to avoid conflict. On that note, I'd also most certainly have given her a serious talk on basic OPSEC.

I was a proudly rebellious and fiercely independent kid, so I guess I see little intrinsic value in obeying one's parents.
Outis wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 9:02 am Actually that gay son finally settled down with a boyfriend, a good guy, but he got into trouble for cp. Now I expected the family to explode but they didn't, they flat out refused to believe it and again asked me to talk to him and reassure him. Not sure why I get roped into these things. He denied it of course, claimed it must have been planted, I don't know if that's true but all I did was reassure him that either way I'm there if he wants to talk.
Just a thought, but wouldn't that have been a great opportunity to come out to someone?

It's great that it didn't make the family explode. In my case, there was no way for my mother to doubt the facts of the matter: she found my stash of printed lolicon hidden in my room during unplanned spring cleaning while I was at school. I couldn't reasonably pretend that it had been "planted" or anything. Rather pathetically, I argued that they "weren't children" and it was about the "art style" and "Japanese women look childlike anyway".
Outis wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 9:02 am I think the experiences of being a map has made me more empathetic and people see that and ask me to help in situations where they struggle with empathy. It would be interesting to learn whether increased empathy is quite broad in maps or rather, are maps more empathetic than non-maps in general? I often hear people talking about maps not having empathy but I'd like to see the evidence that is based upon.
I clearly remember seeing a study that suggested "pedophiles" were more empathetic toward children specifically. I'll find that source again as I need it for a guest blog I'm writing. I'll look for more similar research while I'm at it.
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Re: Was anyone here abused as a child?

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WavesInEternity wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 9:32 am To be fair, I did have to deal with "harsh consequences": long speeches, restrictions on computer use, strict parental filters, an actual system of mirrors so my mother could see what I was doing on the family computer at all times... I stood my ground month after month, year after year, until I saved money to buy my own laptop computer at 14. That was a way to tell my family: we're not going to agree about this, let's agree to disagree and please leave me be. With ubiquitous smartphone use among teenagers, the situation might be quite different now.

What I personally would have told that teenage girl would probably have been to compare porn with delicious but weird exotic food: it's something that conservative parents will find disgusting, but it can be awesome for curious and open-minded people as long as you don't overdo it. Moderation is key, and she should probably hide her porn use from her parents to avoid conflict. On that note, I'd also most certainly have given her a serious talk on basic OPSEC.
You're probbaly right, I was just trying to save her the pain of dealing with her parents.
I doubt my talk stopped her anyway, she was too much into it. She was probably an AAM since she'd been sneaking peaks at porn for years but with her own PC and more privacy she just started watching it much more.
WavesInEternity wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 9:32 am Just a thought, but wouldn't that have been a great opportunity to come out to someone?
I did consider coming out to him to reassure him but he was denying it so much that I felt he might see it as me refusing to believe him.
WavesInEternity wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 9:32 am I clearly remember seeing a study that suggested "pedophiles" were more empathetic toward children specifically. I'll find that source again as I need it for a guest blog I'm writing. I'll look for more similar research while I'm at it.
That would be awesome, I may AI it to see what studies are out there.
Keep every stone they throw at you. You've got castles to build.
The power of the people is stronger than the people in power.

To endaavor to domineer over conscience, is to invade the citadel of heaven.
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