Views on the morality of child sex work (e.g. prostitution, pornography)

[LittlePrincessLover]

A little two cents for the morning off the riff. People definitely enjoy sex much more than they do not. So it follows that children would and do enjoy it also. From my understanding, the majority of CP stars enjoy/enjoyed it and didn’t feel forced. And many of the girls who seem more ‘dominated’ in videos were/are often little girls who are subs, so enjoyed the scenarios. I’m not saying it’s always the case, but I’ll buy it’s more common than not.

As for child prostitution, if a preteen girl wants to have fun and make money; who should really stop her. Prostitution is targeted at adults, the same way child prostitution is. The majority of preteen girls getting involved in it know exactly what they are going into and many are AAMs or prefer older men. There’s nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with it as a transaction. Also, lots of MAPs aren’t lucky enough to have common, or indeed any, contact with their preferred AoAs! And many are too shy to ever try to initiate that, so prostitution could be a potential outlet for those MAPs to have contact with their desired AoAs willingly.

[Walton]

Children can consent. Sex is amazing(so I heard) and fun. If childprostitution would be legalized and age of consent laws dissappear the world would be significantly more relaxed. And many of u...I mean many would be broke from paying for childsex

[Ruby]

I voted for child sex work is acceptable, because I truly believe that kids can consent if they want too, if they don’t that’s is up to them to decide on. I would love to see it actually being legalise because I had enough of us getting into trouble with the law even if the kid say yes or consent to it that way if the kid doesn’t consent then it’s a problem and should be dealt with criminally.

It’s based on consent on both sides if one side says stop it should stop but if they both consenting to it I see why would we be punished if it’s consenting by both parties.

I believe kids have their right to make decisions on how they would like to have sexual relations with others either marriage or just consenting to sex by others.

It should be up to both parties consenting to engage in sex.

I’ll leave it to that, my stance is yes children can make decisions in whatever they want to have sex with.

Peace and love,
Ruby

[LittlePrincessLover]

Children can consent. Sex is amazing(so I heard) and fun. If childprostitution would be legalized and age of consent laws dissappear the world would be significantly more relaxed. And many of u...I mean many would be broke from paying for childsex

Very true. In that hypothetical if there were no age of consent laws at all and child prostitution was entirely legal everywhere it would be a huge industry. Some people don’t realise how big the demand for it would be if that was the case. I don’t think I’d be completely broke but on the opening day and night of legalization my wallet might be looking a bit thin in the morning... :p

[LittlePrincessLover]

I voted for child sex work is acceptable, because I truly believe that kids can consent if they want too, if they don’t that’s is up to them to decide on. I would love to see it actually being legalise because I had enough of us getting into trouble with the law even if the kid say yes or consent to it that way if the kid doesn’t consent then it’s a problem and should be dealt with criminally.

It’s based on consent on both sides if one side says stop it should stop but if they both consenting to it I see why would we be punished if it’s consenting by both parties.

I believe kids have their right to make decisions on how they would like to have sexual relations with others either marriage or just consenting to sex by others.

It should be up to both parties consenting to engage in sex.

I’ll leave it to that, my stance is yes children can make decisions in whatever they want to have sex with.

Peace and love,
Ruby

I agree and argue that most little girls in fact fully understand consent on a physical level at very young ages (whether they recognise the term or not). Preteens can be stubborn with not wanting to do things they don’t want to. If she has decided she doesn’t want a cuddle from you for example she is simply not going to let you and will get angry or upset. And she would make it very obvious to anyone looking if you forced cuddling her anyway that you didn’t have her consent.

I agree it should all be fully legal. If she wants to do these things it is her choice. One big step I think needs taking is to decriminalise all sexual acts that are not full sexual intercourse. So kissing, touching, playing, sucking and oral, etc would be all OK under the law as some of the early steps. This would of course cover the legality around both child sex work and AMSC/AMSR more generally. This way if they want a metric then society can gauge just how popular such changes are to consider more of them. I bet they would be huge and bigger than many naive people might ever expect and the push for full sex to be legal next would be very loud from both MAPs and AAMs.

[PorcelainLark]

One big step I think needs taking is to decriminalise all sexual acts that are not full sexual intercourse. So kissing, touching, playing, sucking and oral, etc would be all OK under the law as some of the early steps.

That's a pretty big step. I feel like if people were OK with all those things, they wouldn't mind intercourse either. However, I don't see that changing any time soon. It's a bit like saying "if I had a billion dollars, first I would buy a rocket, and then I would go to the moon." Getting to a "billion dollars" is a bigger step than getting to the moon.

This would of course cover the legality around both child sex work and AMSC/AMSR more generally. This way if they want a metric then society can gauge just how popular such changes are to consider more of them. I bet they would be huge and bigger than many naive people might ever expect and the push for full sex to be legal next would be very loud from both MAPs and AAMs.

Do you mean ideally decriminalizing AMSC would at the same time include decriminalizing child sex work, or that realistically, decriminalizing AMSC would lead to the decriminalization of child sex work? I'd be doubtful about the latter.

[LittlePrincessLover]

That's a pretty big step. I feel like if people were OK with all those things, they wouldn't mind intercourse either. However, I don't see that changing any time soon. It's a bit like saying "if I had a billion dollars, first I would buy a rocket, and then I would go to the moon." Getting to a "billion dollars" is a bigger step than getting to the moon.

I agree generally and realistically don’t see it changing soon either. Don’t get me wrong I’m a hundred percent along with your logic here, I’m mostly spitballing potential ideals. I hear you that it’s not one step really. It’s a whole bunch of them in reality but it didn’t sound as good in my head. Men can dream right?

Do you mean ideally decriminalizing AMSC would at the same time include decriminalizing child sex work, or that realistically, decriminalizing AMSC would lead to the decriminalization of child sex work? I'd be doubtful about the latter.

Yes; ideally at the same time. However I accept it’s also a whole other ballpark to tackle with it’s own share of separate issues and not as simple as all that. So for now I am happy to accept being labelled as a fantasist on that front.

[PorcelainLark]

I agree generally and realistically don’t see it changing soon either. Don’t get me wrong I’m a hundred percent along with your logic here, I’m mostly spitballing potential ideals. I hear you that it’s not one step really. It’s a whole bunch of them in reality but it didn’t sound as good in my head. Men can dream right?

Yes; ideally at the same time. However I accept it’s also a whole other ballpark to tackle with it’s own share of separate issues and not as simple as all that. So for now I am happy to accept being labelled as a fantasist on that front.

Fair enough.

Even though I posted the thread, I haven't voted or said my opinion yet, so I'll give my thoughts.

I think I softly lean towards "child sex work is bad, but shouldn't be treated as severely." My moral intuition/gut feeling, though it may seem naive or fucked up, is that people like Gary Glitter aren't as bad as people like Josef Fritzl. I understand there's the issue of sexual slavery in these contexts, however in the case of Glitter I don't think he locked children up and kept them from leaving. I also don't think it's fair to say every sex worker is a victim of sexual slavery.

Having said that, there's obviously going to be strong pressure, if you legalize sex work, to go into it regardless of whether you want to. Assuming a person is a heterosexual man, do we feel that it's reasonable to ask them to perform oral sex on another man for money? Maybe the answer is to have a universal basic income. That way people wouldn't be put in a position where they would be pushed into having sex they didn't want, for money.

Regarding penalties. I disagree with the view that punishment works as a deterrent in general (there's evidence against this I could share if people are interested), however if you accept child sex work you have to answer where to draw the line in terms of exploitation. Is a child that does it independently and of their own volition (say for pocket money) being exploited (since an intermediary adult might be able to gauge if they are being undercompensated or asked for unreasonable requests)? Should an adult that gets their child to do sex work that they don't want to do, have their child taken away from them?

I don't know if it could ever be done morally. I don't mind hearing counterarguments, though.

[Fragment]

I think you covered my main concerns, Lark.

The biggest one, which is an issue with all forms of child labor, is the potential for parental coercion.

The second one is that even with adult sex work many times it's a path chosen due to poverty and desperation, rather than desire (though that is changing slightly in recent years- a good example being OnlyFans).

The third one is that with sex work, the adult would become the customer and in some cases this would lead to a sense of entitlement. When consent is freely negotiated mutuality is important. Once you give someone money, it is easy to think that they owe you and push beyond the boundaries that were initially agreed on. This, again, already happens at times with adult sex work.

I don't think commodifying children's bodies is a positive thing over all. Yes, I get turned on by boys in my AoA. But I'd definitely rather a relationship that includes friendship along with intimacy, rather than a purely transactional orgasm.

[Outis]

In an ideal work there would be no prostitution, pornography, hunger or greed. People would be sexually fulfilled with a loved one, people would have sufficient money and comfort to not be in need of anything. Pornography wouldn't be a thing because people were so sexually fulfilled in life that a picture could never compare.

But the reality is that the world is extremely unbalanced and people do what they must to survive and telling people that they can't because it upsets somebody elses sense of right and wrong isn't helping that person anywhere near as much as it's helping the provileged judge to feel a little bit better about themselves. It's very easy to dictate that child prostitution shouldn't be permitted and that kids shouldn't work, that's easy to do form a privileged western position, but the alternative could be extreme hunger, homelessness, violence, families being broken apart and worse.

If the world wants to eradicate child labour and prostitution then it shouldn't be moralising over those doing it, it should be working to tackle poverty, access to education and welfare around the world. There's something a bit sick I feel about the way there will be comfortable people in the US for example cheering on Trump's tariffs and actions to push more people around the world into poverty and desparateion while clutching their bibles condemning people in poverty who do things like child labour and prostitution to survive. I'm sure kids would prefer to be in school or going on vacation with their parents, the reality is that it isn't an option for many. Sure stamp out crime, but that's often the easy part, it's fixing the symptom, not the disease which in this case is poverty.