For some reason, i was apparently not notified of your response to this post, sorry.
PorcelainLark wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2026 4:18 pm
anarchist of love wrote: Sun Feb 22, 2026 12:07 pm
Oh, i see better now. You're still thinking within the hierarchy of Received Constructs. The "structure" you long for...
You'd be more so-called "Normal" if you had JUST had more or some STRUCTURE in your kidhood...uh huh.
But in this desire to be "Normal", you are uncritically Buying Into 'The System'.
Like most people, of course.
Measuring yourself against the Imposed Norms, actually a quite insane (upside-down) value system. You WANT VERY BADLY to 'FIT IN'! (Question is, how far will you go to do so?)
Do you "beat yourself up" inside your head about this? Well, i know someone who used to SLAP HIMSELF over this crap! Only to eventually WAKE UP to the Big Picture!!
Perhaps you should deepen your independent research? Or?
What say you?
I'm not really concerned with fitting in, it's more that support systems helped me. For example, I wouldn't have been able to learn to read without external help. I had other learning and health issues which I didn't get help with until I was older. The problem for me was always lack of support not constraint. What was upsetting to me was that people expected me to be more capable than I actually was. Alternative forms of education can neglect children with learning difficulties in my experience (I've had experience being in both). Standard education is by no means perfect, however that doesn't necessarily mean the alternatives are better.
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WELL! i dissent of course. That you wouldn't have been able to learn to read without external help (you mean, professionals specializing in your alleged problem?). And that you have some sort of alleged "problem" in learning...
Alt forms of education can neglect children with 'learning difficulties' with routine institutional nonactions (in a certain context) JUST LIKE mainline forms of education; yeah. - IF they tow the Conformist line (in order to Get or Continue Getting Big Funding)! Not knowing your age, i can pretty well guess that you were, like i, a child of the
Rollback Generation (starting around the mid-1970s to the Present).
(See Chomsky on
Rollback hereabouts (may have to look at threads connected):
First Part 'Media Control' speech by N.Chomsky, at Boychat org ; basically, the ideology of Capital marshalling its many resources in order to Put The Stupid Masses Back On The Proper Track - uncritically Trusting 'The Experts' and etc. as we are led back to sacrificing ourselves/our kids for profit-wars).
See, i actually studied the politics of "learning disabilities" (if that's at all what you're getting at). And i saw how the sudden pressure for schools to conform to that came on and then sustained itself. i could turn you on to what i know, if you want to take a deep dive.
So, what i'm getting at is
that your particular situation was mystified in order to allow for the
"Rollback" of our general liberties (world-wide). And your
DIFFERENTLY-ABLED ability, quashed,
so that you would Believe and not think outside the Presented ideological corrals. Basically, the political was/is mystified by all of these claims of our having "a disorder"
instead of merely HAVING A DIFFERENT WAY WE NEED TO LEARN. Something that the skool system (and all of its satellite alleged "alternatives" seeking to keep their Big Funding) was/is not prepared to allow for.
Read John Taylor Gatto on such things (i.e. his 'history of schooling'), or perhaps
www.adhdfraud.org (probably found via archive org these days).
You have been lied to!
Now, had you somehow found the *Not Back To School Camp* as a kid, or hooked up with the *Unschooling* movement as a teen (where learning is autonomous and also shared with age peers), you might've had a very different outlook than the one you now hold (self depreciating, it seems to me).
But that's exactly where you're Supposed to Be, peasant! Good Dog!! (i'm being facetious, m'kay?)
My feeling is that the emphasis on freedom presupposes a view that humans are all capable of being self-sufficient. I don't think that's the case. If dependence isn't something contingent or accidental, but central to how people exist, the question becomes about how people relate to one another.
When is "self-sufficiency", anyway? It can certainly mean individualism (allegedly 'each man for himself'), OR it can mean that you gather with an affinity group for some good, "old-fashioned" AUTONOMOUS self-care!
So wow, this 'capability' idea is interesting to me. You didn't see yourself as capable enough as a kid. And now you are being pressured (?) to believe that that is true of everyone?? Or, at least you use that to convince yourself of this universalism? For what reason?
And what of the crucial CONTEXT? Such as en-settlerized persons (of the "First World") vs pre-colonial peoples or even decolonized persons. So i say, watch out about that tendency to universalize!
You said:
A person with a fever wants a community to care for them while they are sick, that's not really about beating yourself up. Arguably, there are points when your self-interest is more important than your freedom.
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Okay.
You said:
If you can explain how liberation would help neglected children and children with special needs, I'd be interested. Though I have reservations based on my experience and what I've seen with other people.
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Well, i see liberation first of all as a complete break from routines we en-settlerized/domesticated/tooled persons assume in what passes for "normality", for one. That means that peoples' needs are empathized with by imperfect persons who don't try to convince you that their way is "the Only way" (as so many religionists do). That means that informal organizing REALIZES THE VALUE OF listening to divergence, and doesn't try to label and reduce it into an objectified situation.
See, normal politics is about who has a "big enough" constituency. It is not about individuals nor our actual liberation. It is about the liberation of the largest, most organized groups on Single Issues only. If you are not organized, tough luck; and watch out, you may be viewed as a great Stepping Stone for them (via scapegoating you).
OF COURSE *TRUE* alternatives have possibilities for persons like you! But they have to escape from the constraining routines of ideologues! And all whom claim to be "alternative" now-a-days are mostly not at all.
, able to ENFLAME participation, or, wow, a bit obtuse!! 
(been wanting to use that one, i guess!)
