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I'm not really down with this idea at all. No, thanks.

Jim Burton wrote: Thu Sep 04, 2025 10:51 am This could be a provocative Mu article, if it falls into the right hands (although the subject matter might be something which is technically possible - discuss)

https://www.map-union.org/perspectives/ ... ns-map-leo

Dan Finkelstein

I fully appreciate this might feel like boiling the ocean, or even asking the Free Palestine movement to get into bed with the Directors of Raytheon, but here I would like to raise the possibility of a MAP Law-Enforcement Collaboration. If anything, as a conversation starter.

The precedents have always been strong. B4U-ACT, a collaboration between MAPs and clinicians has been going for almost a quarter of a century, and even successfully obtained state funding during its formative years under the late MAP thought-leader, Michael Melsheimer. By playing the long game, and thinking outside the box, MAPs managed to foster an identity and genuine, organic growth in ways previously unimaginable. It was an unprecedented success.

So, might there be a case for a project where MAPs collaborate with strictly-vetted LEOs?

Typical of so-called "well educated" MAPS to think that the police are anything near objective. They are a military occupation force dressed down just a little more, for reasons of stealth. If you care to actually read serious history, you may find Bob Moore discussing this in the jewish community of the Warsaw Ghetto (his book VICTIMS AND SURVIVORS is very revealing). Where the intelligentsia believed that such was an option, only to find themselves betrayed AFTER they participated in weakening their own community down enough so that the nazis could enter with impunity. All of the jewish intelligentsia's jewish police were summarily executed before the final "putsch" (does this word fit here?).

And then the Warsaw Ghetto fighters, with such persons like Kazick (spelling?) were that much more weak, and could not really put up much of a fight. All because of the curiously hallowed "smart", but actually naive and pitifully ignorant intelligentsia deeply duped by their so-called "Good Educations", COULD NOT COMPREHEND the reality of what the nazi 'police' were.

Cut to early 2000s (?) and Dutch MAPS. Their principle vanguard (of what I personally experienced, anyway) ALSO uncritically bought into the good-sounding idea of making an inroad with the police. Having been led to believe that the police are objective and reasonable just like the jewish intelligentsia. And then they found themselves betrayed. Notably only after the police had moved them to suppress and send packing all of their "radicals" (those whom would have DARED DEFY such insanity).

Whether or not NAMBLA also tried to have such relations, I don't know, but they ALSO worked overtime to suppress, mischaracterize, and send packing most of the true radicals that initially were inspired by their stands.

Does anyone ever learn from history???