Pro-c no more (?)

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Even without changing laws around AMSC we can still improve things for MAPs of all kinds. I don’t want to ignore OMAPs entirely, or treat NOMAPs as somehow different and better. The stories of NOMAPs are an important part of what we’re doing, but ignoring OMAPs seems a flawed strategy.

I’d rather just call my position unambiguously “pro-MAP”.

What does OMAP mean? Offending MAP ? I am categorically against such a division. This is a false dichotomy. If people who are against contacts (call themselves no-offending), it does not mean that Pro-Choice MAP want to offend someone. They just want young people to have the right to choose consensual, non-offending relationships. For this reason, it is important to focus not on contact (this is selfish and creates the wrong impression of being fixated on sex), but on free and safe choice. The term NO(MAP) needs to be thrown into the trash. This is what is dividing our community.

It was half a joke, but I don't mean pro-c MAPs. I mean MAPs that have actually been arrested and convicted. Anti-c MAPs can be offending MAPs. Actually many members of VirPed struggle with child pornography. Self control can undermine someone's personal beliefs.

Pro-c and anti-c describes moral and political stance.
NOMAP and OMAP describes action.

Pro-c NOMAPs exist. Anti-c OMAPs exist.

"OMAP" is not really used by anyone. It's half a joke, but I also kind of like it. It's cute. Otherwise what else do we call MAPs that have offended? Molesters? Child rapists? Sex-offenders?

But basically I don't see many MAPs openly saying "I want to support criminals". NAMBLA did.

Abolish All Age of Consent Laws and Free All Men Incarcerated for Non-Violent Sexual Offenses.

My position isn't that extreme. But I don't want to forget the men incarcerated for non-violent sexual offenses.

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This a fascinating discussion, remarkable in its civility and sophistication of debate, that I've not encountered before.

Society is relentlessly infantilizing pre adults. There's no retreat from this that isn't political suicide. Psychology get shredded if they fund/publish anything that controverts the official social dogma. And yet, the vast types of MAP, and their origin, could massively help those who must deal with those feelings. All are not alike - molesters to be - as society tends to believe. There are some beyond help: violent, sadistic psychopaths who want to to hurt children. On the other hand there are those whose MA coexists with attraction to age-appropriate partners. There are those who are convinced a 10yo possesses informed sexual agency. Others just want to rape, groom, molest, etc. Even others find part of MA to be inherent in the taboo - an adrenaline boost. Some others just use there imagination, consume erotic images and stories.

These are all different types, with different motivations or traumas, that do not get studied on a granular level.... because they're all lumped together as dangerous pariahs.

The suppression of genuine, un politicized research, I think, diverts attention and resources away from those most likely to cause harm, and damages the psyche of the far less dangerous types.

MAPs exist. Have since recorded history. MA is not equivalent to either pedophile nor sexual abuser. There is some overlap, sure, but empirical evidence suggests the vast majority of MAPS keep it tightly locked away, to stay safe in society and avoid the stigma of shame and self loathing that society expects.