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Do you accept donations via snail mail or Monero? I think many people would be more comfortable with those options.

I would like to know more about his situation. I think O know who this is but need to know for sure.

Dean wrote: Thu Apr 03, 2025 5:38 pm

BLueRibbon wrote: Wed Apr 02, 2025 10:03 pm Do you accept donations via snail mail or Monero? I think many people would be more comfortable with those options.

I'd need somebody to hold the Monero wallet, and send it through transfer or cash from there. Snail mail is definitely an option, just need to make sure it's not noticable from the outside of the letter or package.

Sending stuff, food or cash, addressed to Nelson to his embassy:
Embajada del Reino de los Paises Bajos
t.a.v. Nelson Maatman
Volcán 150, 2nd floor, Qúbica Building Col. Lomas de Chapultepec, CP 11000, Mexico City Mexico

I thought about creating a wallet for Nelson around 2024, although in the end I didn't do it due to a lack of knowledge about cryptocurrencies. If someone could help me create a wallet for Nelson it would be a great help.

Oh, wow. That sounds pretty bad. I would like to read whet he wrote but I do not know Dutch.

Here's my honest opinion.

The main reason Nelson is not receiving donations is because people are nervous about sending donations, not because they're unwilling to spare a few dollars for a politically imprisoned supporter of MAPs.

There needs to be a PO Box that can receive donations, not an embassy address for a country where you more or less state that donations will be pilfered by postal officers unless the cash is carefully concealed.

A bank account owned by... someone?... is also unlikely to be trusted.

How can you offer a safe way for people to send money without compromising yourself in the process? That is the key question.

I'm posting this not out of aggression - as your efforts are laudable - but to hopefully help somewhat.

Dean wrote: Fri Apr 11, 2025 3:49 pm

BLueRibbon wrote: Fri Apr 11, 2025 11:44 am Here's my honest opinion.

The main reason Nelson is not receiving donations is because people are nervous about sending donations, not because they're unwilling to spare a few dollars for a politically imprisoned supporter of MAPs.

There needs to be a PO Box that can receive donations, not an embassy address for a country where you more or less state that donations will be pilfered by postal officers unless the cash is carefully concealed.

A bank account owned by... someone?... is also unlikely to be trusted.

How can you offer a safe way for people to send money without compromising yourself in the process? That is the key question.

I'm posting this not out of aggression - as your efforts are laudable - but to hopefully help somewhat.

Uhhm, that's literary any country? Okay, who's going to set that up? Nelson? That's the damn problem. You know there is a billion times bigger chance that they'll find you for visiting this site, even on TOR fully protected by tails, sitting in McDonald's across the state using their WiFi, than that they try to track you trough an anominous cash transfer to the girlfriend of some Cartel dude that even Nelson doesn't know. There's about 50 Americans using those accounts the same way. There exist no safer way, not even freaking Cryptocurrencies.


It's not even fear or paranoid, it's a complete lack of security knowledge. Anyway, better chance finding a publisher or literary agent for Nelson than a useful MAP I guess. Maybe he can use the money he makes himself to break out or something, because a trial he'll never get if nobody cares.

I'm sorry I upset you, but you need to understand that the main reason Nelson isn't receiving donations is not that MAPs are unwilling to part with a few dollars. It's that we have a very justifiable paranoia of a knock on the door, and the options you're offering are simply not secure enough.

Your efforts to help Nelson are worthy of praise, but you need to put yourself in our position. We don't want to get outed, and the suggested solutions are a bit scary to the vast majority of our community. Hearing that the in-between would be a Cartel money mule doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

I remember when I was younger I was scared of having anything to do with crypto currency because I felt like it was associated with illegal activities. I wonder if that's part of the reservation he has?

As i read over peoples' thoughts on this matter, i thought of Steve Raymond's book "The Poison River" ( https://www.amazon.com/Poison-River-Ste ... 709&sr=8-1 )

In it, we learn just how naive and ignorant many Westerners (europeons, etc.) are when it comes to Third World realities. A very eye-opening book for all whom would fantasize about "running" to such nations.

As for possibly gaining a group like Amnesty International's attention, i would suspect that it would be a smart idea to begin writing to them now, seeking to tell them that you KNOW they are prohibited from openly discussing ideologically-dangerous topics, all while filling them in on just what kind of injustices we can document (i.e. the systematic way that all the alleged 'help' groups cannot and will not assist when THEY'RE REALLY NEEDED. And not just for our groups!). Say you know this status they are stuck in, but at the same time try to inform them of reality.

And then pitch the situations of Nelson M., et al.

Such groups that have been "in the trenches" a long time are likely to either "hear you out" or refer you to others whom might. i'd also try groups like the National Lawyers Guild. I DO KNOW that the ACLU defended, pro bono, several activists when some kind of spurious suit was filed to attack NAMBLA. So they do have integrity, but very limited, and not friendly, so i heard.

Hope this helps.

Artaxerxes II wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 4:01 pm

Fragment wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:41 am Results-wise it might be mostly useless, but still donating money to someone that has previously tried to do valuable work for MAPs is not entirely meaningless. Whatever mistakes he's made, he doesn't deserve what he's going through.

Are you taking to a symbolic sense? As in "MAPs may not be a significant political bloc, but we are still willing too look out for our members and support them at their direst times"? In this sense, I would agree.

Btw, has anyone attempted to forward Nelson's case to Amnesty international, HRW, or any other global human rights organisation? I remember emailing about his case to some Italian and Spanish newspapers, but nothing came out of it, and that was back when his case was still hot due to the release of Tim Ballard's box office hit Sound of Freedom.

I don't know much of the key details, but can't Nelson take his case up to the international court of justice in The Hague?