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It’s as simple as this : if I steal $300 worth of clothes from h&m (which is larceny) I have every right to tell someone not to steal their neighbor’s car (which is grand larceny). The person committing grand larceny has every right to tell me I’m wrong as well, but their is a moral difference between the two. H&m can recover from the theft quicker than the neighbor who got their car stolen. The neighbor works a 9-5 and you just ruined their lively hood.

Being attracted to infants is fine. We aren’t judging you on that because you were dealt those cards. Trying to justify sex with infants is like trying to justify drinking bleach. In no world does it make sense nor is it okay. The physical harm you would cause to this infant is unbearable. Might even cause death. To sit here and call us one of the same is disrespectful. There is 0 justification for sex with an infant.

Not Forever wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 9:42 am

Cunny Defender wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 9:32 amJust because some people are confused about things doesn't mean that everything must be right suddenly

What would people be confused about?
The point isn’t that they misuse the term “pedophile” — the point is that people don’t think badly of you because of the Nepios. They think badly of you because they believe the age gap makes every sexual or romantic relationship into rape, even when it’s consensual. Since people see any sexual relationship as potentially traumatic, with effects worse than death, MAPs end up being seen as they are seen.

You wouldn’t solve anything by sweeping them under the rug, and you would also be repeating the same behavior that is reserved for MAPs, placing them in yet another category considered even lower.

Yes exactly, most antis dont even know that nepiophiles exist, and when they hear the term pedophillia, they arent even thinking of prepubescent children, but underaged teenagers. Dear epehbophiles/hebephiles, scapegoating the most “degenerate” part of your community wont make antis respect you, and you guys are more than welcpme to leave the MAP community and form your own hebephile/ephobephile community instead of having to deal with us icky nepios and pedos harshing your vibe

Cunny Defender wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 3:46 pm

Learning to undeny wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 3:29 pm

Cunny Defender wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 9:26 am If someone is attracted to infants, they should keep this to themselves; it's simply a ridiculous and unrealistic attraction. Let's say this attraction were legalized. What are you going to do? It has no romantic capacity, no sexual capacity, or really any capacity at all

The attraction to infants is "legalized" already, and it's "realistic" if they have it. And what would keeping it to themselves achieve? Apart from not been seen as degenerates...

I ain't going to continue this conversation; this isn't a serious thing to discuss

I agree

G@yWad69 wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 4:43 pm

Not Forever wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 9:42 am

Cunny Defender wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 9:32 amJust because some people are confused about things doesn't mean that everything must be right suddenly

What would people be confused about?
The point isn’t that they misuse the term “pedophile” — the point is that people don’t think badly of you because of the Nepios. They think badly of you because they believe the age gap makes every sexual or romantic relationship into rape, even when it’s consensual. Since people see any sexual relationship as potentially traumatic, with effects worse than death, MAPs end up being seen as they are seen.

You wouldn’t solve anything by sweeping them under the rug, and you would also be repeating the same behavior that is reserved for MAPs, placing them in yet another category considered even lower.

Yes exactly, most antis dont even know that nepiophiles exist, and when they hear the term pedophillia, they arent even thinking of prepubescent children, but underaged teenagers. Dear epehbophiles/hebephiles, scapegoating the most “degenerate” part of your community wont make antis respect you, and you guys are more than welcpme to leave the MAP community and form your own hebephile/ephobephile community instead of having to deal with us icky nepios and pedos harshing your vibe

I have already talked about how the word "pedophile" is used to lump together everyone who likes people under 18; that's why i have discouraged the use of the p-word. You say that denouncing nepios won't help out hebephiles and ephebophiles, but there you're wrong. There's plenty of countries where being with young teens is accepted and legal, but let me tell you there's not a single place on the face of the earth where infant attraction is accepted

Cunny Defender wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 9:26 am

BLueRibbon wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 8:02 am

Cunny Defender wrote: Thu Nov 06, 2025 11:42 pm I'm usually a proud MAP, but i gotta be honest, nepios make me feel ashamed and dumbfounded on behalf of the MAP community

Why?

I don't get an attraction to infants, but it's not like nepis are here pissing in my coffee.

But by the way nepis, if you ever do come and piss in my coffee, we're going to have a problem, OK?

If someone is attracted to infants, they should keep this to themselves; it's simply a ridiculous and unrealistic attraction. Let's say this attraction were legalized. What are you going to do? It has no romantic capacity, no sexual capacity, or really any capacity at all

Any attraction to anything outside a fully sexually mature adult of the opposite sex is technically ridiculous and unrealistic, also, humans are freaky asf. Theres people sexually attracted to literal feces and decaying corpses, at least babies and toddlers are human and alive, which means in the grand scale of degeneracy, we arent actually that degenerate.

“It has no romantic capacity, no sexual capacity.”

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2566458/

Babies judge adults based on their attractiveness and prefer attractive adults to take care of them over ugly adults

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27601352/

https://www.parent.com/blogs/conversati ... y%20climax.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2994165/

Fetuses masturbate in the womb and babies and roddlers also purposefully seek out sexual gratification.

Who the fuck told you that babies and toddlers have no romatic or sexual capacity? Let me guess, the same people who told you that innocencent teenage children are asexual and have to be “groomed” into wanting or enjoying sexual pleasure or finding adults attractive. Because even literal fucking infants judge and prefer attractive adults and seex out sexual pleasure. Your just saying them same ridiculous shit that antis say to you to make yourself feel less perverted. The truth is that literally all humans are sexual with sexual wants and needs and preferences, from BIRTH to death(even BEFORE birth with fetuses), and the only people who pretend otherwise are antis and virtue signalers. You seem to think that babies and toddlers are non sentient blank slates with no personality or wants and needs of their own, you even refer to them as “it”. That is a problem with you and the way you view very young children, not with us. Riddle me this, if you notice your toddler crudely attempting to hump their stuffed animal, ans you replace the stuffed animal with your hand, do you think the baby will be scarred and receive “life long trauma”? And if you do, what is the drastic difference between the grown up hand and the stuffed animal that one will cause trauma if it comes near their genitals and the other wont, and how come this same mechanism doesnt happen when it comes to other forms of genital contact like bathing or diaper changes, why is it only sexual pleasure specifically that is supposed to cause trauma, instead of anything else in the childs life that causes actual pain, and how come this only happens if it is an adult participating. Can the baby even tell the difference between a grown up hand and their plushy, and if they can, which they probably can, why are we assuming that they would care so much about the difference(mind you, these are the same people that play with their feces), that they would be “traumatized” and suffer life long permanent damage once they realize they are blindly humping the “wrong” object?

Cunny Defender wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 5:05 pm

G@yWad69 wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 4:43 pm

Not Forever wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 9:42 am

What would people be confused about?
The point isn’t that they misuse the term “pedophile” — the point is that people don’t think badly of you because of the Nepios. They think badly of you because they believe the age gap makes every sexual or romantic relationship into rape, even when it’s consensual. Since people see any sexual relationship as potentially traumatic, with effects worse than death, MAPs end up being seen as they are seen.

You wouldn’t solve anything by sweeping them under the rug, and you would also be repeating the same behavior that is reserved for MAPs, placing them in yet another category considered even lower.

Yes exactly, most antis dont even know that nepiophiles exist, and when they hear the term pedophillia, they arent even thinking of prepubescent children, but underaged teenagers. Dear epehbophiles/hebephiles, scapegoating the most “degenerate” part of your community wont make antis respect you, and you guys are more than welcpme to leave the MAP community and form your own hebephile/ephobephile community instead of having to deal with us icky nepios and pedos harshing your vibe

I have already talked about how the word "pedophile" is used to lump together everyone who likes people under 18; that's why i have discouraged the use of the p-word. You say that denouncing nepios won't help out hebephiles and ephebophiles, but there you're wrong. There's plenty of countries where being with young teens is accepted and legal, but let me tell you there's not a single place on the face of the earth where infant attraction is accepted

“but let me tell you there's not a single place on the face of the earth where infant attraction is accepted”

https://www.connectsavannah.com/extras/ ... s-2175543/

Plenty of examples of cultures where having sexual contacts with babies and toddlers with adults is legal/normalized.

From the article

“Ethnographers report that mothers and caregivers in rural New Guinea fondle the genitals of infants and toddlers of both sexes. In the case of boys this supposedly aids the growth of the penis. It’s often done in public and is a source of great amusement.”

I guess every single member of rural areas in New Guinea need decades of therapy asap to deal with the unbearable and crippling trauma of getting their penis or clit fondled/rubbed. Crazy that they still manage to have a functioing society despite 100% of the popularion suffering from such severe and crippling and life destroying trauma and 100% of the population being evil baby rapists huh? Maybe we should deploy our American therapists to help all the members deal with their awful trauma of past penis fondling?

“The Telegu-speaking people of central India dote on the penises of boys up through age six, which they hold, rub, and kiss. (Girls escape with minor same-sex touching.) A greeting involves an adult grabbing a boy’s arm with one hand and his penis with the other.”

Do you think all or the majority of men in Telegu speaking central India are suffering crippling life long permanent unbearable trauma? Do you think all the men have nightmares where they wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat remembering the time their penis got rubbed? How are they even capable of functioning as a society if 100% of their population are evil baby rapists and the other 50% are scarred traumatized non functioning cripples and permanently destroyed victims?

“A 1946 report claimed that among lower-class Japanese families, parents or nursemaids would play with the genitals of children to help them fall asleep.”

Being so soothed that you fall alseep is a far cry from being so scarred and traumatized that you cant function dont you think?

https://www.todaysparent.com/family/wom ... i-a-freak/

https://egojournal.eu/journal/2024-01/b ... ing-women/

Also, articles showing its normal and common for mothers to get horny when their baby nurses. Not saying these womens are nepiophiles, but acting like its somehow rare for adults to have sexual feelings towards infants or toddlers or recieve sexual pleasure from them is just lies

Also, where the hell did you get the idea that “but let me tell you there's not a single place on the face of the earth where infant attraction is accepted”?? Theres countries that dont even have an age of consent, not “they dont have an age of consent for children 5 and older” but they dont have an age of consent, PERIOD. This is what I hate about virtue signaling anti comments like this, since it personally disgusts you, you pretend that it either doesnt exist or never has existed or will exists and blatantly lie and deny reality to confirm your bias. Also, newsflash, most antis arent even that concerened with nepiophile, their main greviance is with adult men and underaged teenage girls, search up “pedophile/groomer caught” online or in the news and most examples will be of adult men with preteen and teenage girls, not adult men with babies and toddlers. Im not saying nepiophile is currently accepted or legal in western society, its obviously not, but the biggest problem antis currently have is with teenage girl likers, not baby or toddler likers(once again, not saying they dont have a problem with us, they DO)

Cunny Defender wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 5:05 pm I have already talked about how the word "pedophile" is used to lump together everyone who likes people under 18; that's why i have discouraged the use of the p-word. You say that denouncing nepios won't help out hebephiles and ephebophiles, but there you're wrong. There's plenty of countries where being with young teens is accepted and legal, but let me tell you there's not a single place on the face of the earth where infant attraction is accepted

You have only talked about nepiophiles and ebephiles. How do you feel about paedophiles?

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It’s as simple as this : if I steal $300 worth of clothes from h&m (which is larceny) I have every right to tell someone not to steal their neighbor’s car (which is grand larceny). The person committing grand larceny has every right to tell me I’m wrong as well, but their is a moral difference between the two. H&m can recover from the theft quicker than the neighbor who got their car stolen. The neighbor works a 9-5 and you just ruined their lively hood.

Being attracted to infants is fine. We aren’t judging you on that because you were dealt those cards. Trying to justify sex with infants is like trying to justify drinking bleach. In no world does it make sense nor is it okay. The physical harm you would cause to this infant is unbearable. Might even cause death. To sit here and call us one of the same is disrespectful. There is 0 justification for sex with an infant.
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Do you think letting a toddler hump your hand when you catch them trying to hump their stuffed animal is the same as “drinking bleach”? Does hand humping cause multi level organ failure? Does humping someones hand kill you? Does humping someones hand cause “unbearable physical harm” or “death”? I think the problem here is the terminology. You guys will hear a nepiophile say they Pro C and think “holding a newborn down and violently penetrating them to death with your penis until they die of organ failure”, meanwhile, we are thinking “letting an excited toddler hump your hand when you notice them getting frustrated trying to hump their stuffed animal.”(and yes, babies and toddlers DO get sexually excited and purposefully seek out sexual pleasure, and there HAVE been many cultures where adults lending a helping hand, or mouth, has been legal and normalized, espcially with male children, and as far as I know, none of the men of these cultures report feeling “unbearable physical harm” or “death” from their mothers gently fondling their penis. Not to say it is impossible for “unbearable physical harm” or “death” to have existed, but their societys seem suspiciously functional and their men seem suspiciously alive if I am to believe that 50% of their population are evil baby rapists that torture and murder babies and the other 50% have suffered “unbearable physical harm” or “death” every time their mothers played with their penises and fondled their balls.

I would like to believe your gross misjudgment on nepiophiles is innocent and just due to a communication issue, but I have a feeling its not. Assuming that nepiophiles want to severely injure or murder babies just because we get a boner when we look at them or think that rubbing their penises would be morally permissible and wouldnt cause “unbearable physical harm” or “death” is like assuming that a pedophile or hebephile wants to torture or murder children and teenagers just because they get a boner and think that rubbing their penis would be morally permissible and safe. Newsflash, penis rubbing doesnt cause “unbearable physical harm” or “death”, and unlike teenagers, who might feel pressured by society into accepting sexual advances they arent actually instrested in, younger kids/babies are selfish and will only participate in activities/let activities happen that cause them pleasure and will VERY LOUDLY(tantrums, screaming at the top of their lungs) let you know if you are doing something that even mildly upsets them, let alone causes “unbearable physical harm” or “death”.I have already provided many examples in this very thread of babies and toddlers and even FETUSES seeking out sexual pleasure and cultures where adults reciprocate those feelings and it is legal and normalized, and surprise surprise, the men arent suffering any crippling unbearable trauma from having their penises sucked as toddlers, and the babys arent being murdered every time their mothers fondle their balls. Hell, mothers receiving sexual stimulation from infants sucking on their boobs is extremely common, and in any other age group, a child sucking on an adults nipples and giving the adult sexual pleasure would be considered a from of abuse, yet none of these infants are growing up with having suffered from “unbearable physical harm” or “death” after giving a grown adulr sexual pleasure as a mere child. Who would have guessed?

Learning to undeny wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 5:22 pm

Cunny Defender wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 5:05 pm I have already talked about how the word "pedophile" is used to lump together everyone who likes people under 18; that's why i have discouraged the use of the p-word. You say that denouncing nepios won't help out hebephiles and ephebophiles, but there you're wrong. There's plenty of countries where being with young teens is accepted and legal, but let me tell you there's not a single place on the face of the earth where infant attraction is accepted

You have only talked about nepiophiles and ebephiles. How do you feel about paedophiles?

I have no problem with pedophilia as by the textbook definition

nepiguy wrote: Thu Oct 30, 2025 6:20 pm

Joanne7315 wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 9:30 pm Hi, just want to put it out there that I am quite open and proud to identify as a [non exclusive] Nepio, happily attracted to infants and toddlers. I know that many in the MAP community are uncomfortable even with Nepios, so I stick my head above the parapet to be freely available to explain as best I can the attraction and to champion the Nepio corner.

Proud Nepio here also, it's never been easy to find others to talk to and bond with that are maps much less baby and toddler lovers. Glad to see I'm not alone in this world.

Im also a Nepio AoA 6M-3 and its hard to find fellow Nepios because there aren't many of us out there.