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I like them my age and older but the ones that turn me on the most are those of 12-15 with already attributes, but young girls

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Tanner Stage 4. It has less to do with age and more to do with phenotype to me.

Fragment wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 5:19 am Tanner Stage 4. It has less to do with age and more to do with phenotype to me.

Pretty much the same for me. Though I can't stand any pubic hair at all.

Ultimately, being attracted to minors, in my experience, isn't a fixation on a certain number or number range. It's a deep love for a certain "pattern of human being", an aesthetic (in the broadest possible sense), a particular "look" and way of relating to reality, one involving curiosity, simplicity, untainted authenticity, playfulness, and a non-judgmental attitude. It's also an appreciation for a certain form of asymmetric relationship involving mutual love and respect, unilateral and unconditional protection of the child by the adult, and recognition of the child as an autonomous being capable of freely accepting or rejecting an adult's guidance.

If a 30-year-old woman had all those attributes and could offer me such an asymmetric bond, I could fall in love with her just as with an 11-year-old girl. Unfortunately, the unique way children perceive the world around them is even more often an early casualty of time than the physical appearance that is typical of them*.

In my experience, it just might be possible to preserve most key psychoemotional attributes of childhood for a very long time, and perhaps indefinitely, as well as bring them back, in some autopedophilic women blessed with a very happy past, provided that this is their sincere desire, and most importantly that the adult partner be flawless, or very close to flawless, in his (or her) protection of the "spiritual girl-child's" happiness. It requires strong willpower and efforts on both parts, and the older the girl/woman, the harder it gets. But it can be done. I succeeded for about 5 years (she was 25 when it started to break down, and my own inadequacies are to blame for it). I hope to do much better next time.


* In that respect, for hebephiles like myself at least, quite a few petite young women exhibit truly remarkable neoteny, the Japanese and Filipinas being striking examples. In all cases, adequate clothes/hairstyle, exhaustive depilation, and even some cosmetic surgery can do small wonders. My autopedophile ex-girlfriend had her vulva surgically reshaped so it looks like a little girl's, and she was seriously considering breast reduction (from B-cup to AA-cup), wearing tight sports bras in the meantime. Add short pigtails, blunt bangs, a childish pyjama-like sundress, and small rectangular glasses with strawberries on the side branches, and you get the picture.

https://forum.map-union.org/viewtopic.php?t=28

I posted this back in the early days of the forum. The question is gone (due to my freak out where I deleted all my posts from the board). But basically "if the person was numerically 80, but physically 7/10/13 would you be interested?"

Obviously most people said yes. It's not numbers that turn us on.

Fragment wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 5:50 am https://forum.map-union.org/viewtopic.php?t=28

I posted this back in the early days of the forum. The question is gone (due to my freak out where I deleted all my posts from the board). But basically "if the person was numerically 80, but physically 7/10/13 would you be interested?"

Obviously most people said yes. It's not numbers that turn us on.

Cool. That was my strong impression, I'm glad to see it confirmed.

If anything, the age of consent and age of majority are precisely what might make some numbers become fetishized by some people—we only have to look at the huge peak of pornographic content featuring 18-year-olds. In and of themselves, chronophilias aren't really about age.

What surprised me, though, was to realize that I didn't require a hypothetical cryogenics machine to have a 20-year-old that looks and acts very much like a 14/15-year-old (the age people usually thought my ex-girlfriend was by looks alone)... that it was actually possible through picking the right girl, having the same (symmetric) desires, a lot of willpower, and careful adjustments to our relational dynamic.

Black Mirror

There is a reason women tend to be attracted to men who are either their age or somewhat older, yet men tend to be attracted to roughly the same age of girls pretty much throughout their entire life. I think there is a common tendency among men to be attracted to the same age group from a set point in their life, usually young teenhood. The fact that the AoC, or just the average age men attempt to "court" girls, globally has been lower than 18, often drastically lower historically, seems to indicate that humans, men especially, are attracted to youth in general, not to a specific number but no lower than what the law says. Early 20s is just the generally most accepted lower limit in modern culture. The law might say one thing, but culture only loosely follows the law. The speed limit might be 60, but if you're not going a bit faster than that, you're going "too slow". That's not the law, that's culture. Sure 18 is allowed, but if you're intentionally going after 18 year olds specifically, you're seen as "pedo adjacent", or literally just a pedophile in the average American's eyes. If the AoC was lower, the average age men would be dating would lower in response, so long as cultural trends remain where the acceptable dating age is only about 5 years over the AoC. IDK if I'm allowed to link to anything on here, but you can google "age of attraction for men" and you'll find charts that show this.
If you're a man, don't feel bad for being "stuck" being attracted to a certain age group, it's very common.

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WavesInEternity wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 5:33 am Pretty much the same for me. Though I can't stand any pubic hair at all.

just using this quote to reply to you in general.

A lot of the desire for children seems to be a mix of physical and behavioral traits that are very hard to mimic by adult females. The flat chest and small slim figure are hard to mimic, especially once naked, unless they have a condition. The behavior can be more easily mimicked, but the inauthenticity of it can be noticeable, especially as you get more used to her doing it and can detect smaller and smaller imperfections in it. Even with loll Vtubers, the more you watch them the more the fact that they are adults sinks into your mind.
Actual Minors are more genuinely childlike, unsurprisingly, so the traits that many pedophiles desire in a girl are best exemplified in minors. No matter how close the fake is to the real thing, it's not the real thing, and that makes a difference. For some, they can tolerate fakes forever, but others will never be satisfied with the "Walmart brand" of child girlfriend.
It's not the number that attracts us, its what that number almost always indicates about the person. There's a reason most people are not attracted to the elderly regardless of their personality.

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WavesInEternity wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 5:33 am If anything, the age of consent and age of majority are precisely what might make some numbers become fetishized by some people—we only have to look at the huge peak of pornographic content featuring 18-year-olds. In and of themselves, chronophilias aren't really about age.

Im strongly convinced that the law shapes human behavior massively in this way. For things people really, really want, but the law restricts, people will ride as close to the line as they safely can. Some of it could be an act of defiance regardless of desire, but for things like porn searches, its more likely that this is their genuine desire demonstrated by porn search metrics, as I doubt people en masse would go out of their way to so massively skew porn search results just to provide a statistic. I don't think that ever happens. and it'd be silly to say that all these people are only attracted to 18 year olds specifically. It's far more likely that if their was a porn category for 17 year olds, that would become the next top search, then 16 year olds, then 15, etc. sure there might be more of a drop off around 13 or so, as the pubescence of these girls are put more and more into question, but that doesn't make the sexual desire for preteen girls any less valid than the attraction to other men or to feet, or to butts just because those parts are not strictly, or at all indicative of a girls breeding capacity. a lot of attraction is not merely breeding potential.
But regardless, 18 is most certainly not the lower limit men would look at porn of if it were legal and culturally uncontroversial.

Black Mirror,

I used to think that no longer being physically attracted to someone meant I was a shallow person, but compared to other relationships I witnessed, I viewed myself differently. I also began to wonder if being in a relationship indefinitely was even a healthy thing. I like to imagine my emotional connection to someone will allow me to continue being their friend no matter how old they become, but I will always be predominantly attracted to children or young adults.

I think people would ultimately be happier if they learned to accept the shallow and self-serving nature of sexual attraction and, by extension, romantic relationships as romantic relationships (I know that people identify as allosexual aromantics and the term 'romance' is vague but I think most people define it in a way that involves sexual attraction). I think it could be liberating in various ways (it can clarify why it's reasonable to build loyalty and commitment around someone's personality and your history with them or something other than their invoking sexual feelings in you, and if the stress they cause you doesn't completely eliminate your felt natural attraction to them you also have less cause to guard against feelings you have for people who, from an 'objective' view, do not really have your ideal personality because seeking intimacy with them, in real life or fantasy, is something that you're doing for selfish reasons anyway, which might make it less humiliating/shameful since it's not altruistic or out of 'respect' for them, it's naked self-interest). If people could really appreciate this, it seems to me that formal/official romantic relationships or commitments would fall apart. A friendship or some kind of platonic relationship can be built on mutual sympathy and care but if a romantic relationship can stop being pleasurable for either party (for reasons that have nothing to do with diminished sympathy or respect), why commit to one (this is somewhat of a simplistic argument since you can commit to something long-term in the expectation that it will eventually pay off even if it doesn't at the moment, like pushing through the boring parts of a novel or tv show, but hopefully you get the idea. If people are brutally honest about their age preferences and I'm right that the elderly generally prefer younger partners, it seems pointless to me. Co-parenting doesn't require romantic feelings and people sometimes claim polyamory is bad for children but if your partners, or other partners, don't live with you your relationship/s with them might be immaterial to the children)?

Fragment,

It has less to do with age and more to do with phenotype to me.

I can relate. I generally start to lose attraction to women after 40 (even the older-looking women in their late 30s are still within my ideal age range) but I've watched some movies lately with a couple of women in their 40s and 50s that I could either see myself having a crush on or I could see myself having a crush on someone who looked like them (I say 'have a crush on' because, as crass as this might sound, there are women I could find basically attractive without being attractive enough that I could be infatuated with them, although there are also women of whom my interest in is more 'romantic' than sexual, without the romance element I wouldn't be strongly attracted to them sexually. One thing I've noticed at least a couple of times is losing sexual interest in a girl I had a strong crush on; not because of a madonna-whore complex where I felt guilty about sexualizing someone I like/respect but maybe because the obsessiveness that characterizes 'infatuation' as I understand it inhibits my sexualizing other women so I guess I made other women 'forbidden fruit' or that person might become sexually less interesting because a part of me was trying to force myself to focus on her alone etc. etc., it's hard to explain. I could see how sex as an expression of affection could lead to that too).

TheOtherKindofPride,

There is a reason women tend to be attracted to men who are either their age or somewhat older, yet men tend to be attracted to roughly the same age of girls pretty much throughout their entire life. I think there is a common tendency among men to be attracted to the same age group from a set point in their life, usually young teenhood. The fact that the AoC, or just the average age men attempt to "court" girls, globally has been lower than 18, often drastically lower historically, seems to indicate that humans, men especially, are attracted to youth in general, not to a specific number but no lower than what the law says. Early 20s is just the generally most accepted lower limit in modern culture. The law might say one thing, but culture only loosely follows the law. The speed limit might be 60, but if you're not going a bit faster than that, you're going "too slow". That's not the law, that's culture. Sure 18 is allowed, but if you're intentionally going after 18 year olds specifically, you're seen as "pedo adjacent", or literally just a pedophile in the average American's eyes. If the AoC was lower, the average age men would be dating would lower in response, so long as cultural trends remain where the acceptable dating age is only about 5 years over the AoC. IDK if I'm allowed to link to anything on here, but you can google "age of attraction for men" and you'll find charts that show this.

If you're a man, don't feel bad for being "stuck" being attracted to a certain age group, it's very common.

You don't deny this in your post (I agree that, on average, men especially seem to be drawn to youth) but I think people downplay how interested in younger men women often are, and not just men under 35 but young teen boys.

No one should feel ashamed of being attracted to significantly younger people but, in the context of existing cultural norms especially, a preference for them can be a burden. That most young women prefer young men (or young men young women) is a huge factor in mid-life/elderly despair, although there are other aspects as well.