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reaver wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:06 am

PorcelainLark wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 9:37 pm There isn't a snowball's chance in Hell that will work.

Proof?

You can't prove a negative. The burden of proof is on the person claiming it will work.

And no, some claim like:

The right has historically been, and continues to be repressive towards sexuality.

need not be accepted at face value.

Can masturbation abstinence make you more of a man? The far right thinks so, and support is growing
https://english.elpais.com/society/2022 ... owing.html

Teaching Fear: The Religious Right’s Campaign Against Sexuality Education
https://www.peoplefor.org/report/teaching-fear

The Sex Ed Wars Will Never End
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... d-00031256

Italy opens door to chemical castration for rapists and pedophiles
https://www.politico.eu/article/italy-g ... offenders/

An AoC of maybe 7, or being able to marry one's young sweetheart (and, God willing, have a large family with her), compared to having her aborted, or indoctrinated, probably sterilized (and quite possibly, qua pedo, face the latter fate oneself), is sexually repressive?

Yes, because sex is discouraged from occurring outside of marriage. You can say that's a good thing, but that's saying sexual repression is a good thing.

OK then, rather than the moralism, pseudo-science, and revisionist history so popular with liberals (here and elsewhere), let's see hard evidence supporting the claim of liberal (ie: "left") strict improvement on said repression.

What moralism, pseudoscience, and revisionist history?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno_v._A ... ties_Union

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/american ... nion-aclu/
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/am ... ties-union

This is getting ridiculous. You say you're not American, but you use only US American examples and your definition of left and right is purely an American one from "allsides" and "mediabiasfactcheck". This is like all the New Atheist bullshit in the type of argument you're engaging in.

Rolo wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 6:29 pm This is getting ridiculous. You say you're not American, but you use only US American examples and your definition of left and right is purely an American one from "allsides" and "mediabiasfactcheck".

In my perspective it's pretty similar, how do you think the left and right is different in other countries? Also, do you really think allsides or mediabiasfactcheck are wrong in their assessment of the ACLU, or that they're are inappropriate for evaluating an American organization?

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PorcelainLark wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 4:17 pm
Yes, because sex is discouraged from occurring outside of marriage. You can say that's a good thing, but that's saying sexual repression is a good thing.

I contend that a lower AoC (e.g. 7) is preferable to that typically sought by feminists/progressives/liberals (ie: 18+) at the time. The indoctrination and sterilization of children was a reference to eugenics (e.g. Planned Parenthood), which is still going strong, and to Hirschfeld's proposal to sterilize pedos (since you love LGBT moralizing).

Do you claim sterilizing children or pedos is in no way "sexually repressive" (contrary to the intentions of the good feminist and doctor), nor is a higher AoC which would strictly benefit pedos?


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PorcelainLark wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:57 pm

Rolo wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 6:29 pm This is getting ridiculous. You say you're not American, but you use only US American examples and your definition of left and right is purely an American one from "allsides" and "mediabiasfactcheck".

In my perspective it's pretty similar, how do you think the left and right is different in other countries? Also, do you really think allsides or mediabiasfactcheck are wrong in their assessment of the ACLU, or that they're are inappropriate for evaluating an American organization?

This is like all the New Atheist bullshit in the type of argument you're engaging in.

So you're some sort of Muslim tankie, I guess. Enjoy wasting your time on your ideological dead end, lmao.

You are clearly acting in bad faith and are just pushing your own ideological agenda. I've pointed out problems of both the "left" and the "right" and how the "right" should not be categorically ruled out based on biases. I'm not sure what a "Muslim tankie" is supposed to be, but it sounds likei this accusation is coming from a very bigoted and close-minded perspective. It seems like your dedication to "civil liberties" only extends to people who already share all of your views and that everyone else is illegitimate.

I asked people to behave on this topic that clearly deals with issues that are sensitive to a lot of people.

Unfortunately despite multiple people being warned, personal attacks, as opposed to philosophical discussion have continued.

As a result, I'm locking this thread.