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Such as written erotica, AI porn, animated porn, and sex doll and/or bots? Right now all of that is illegal in UK, Canada, Australia, and other places and its so upsetting not having a legal outlet.

The results of legal trials in other countries would be a good place to start. This can be compared to decriminalization of drugs in the Netherlands and Portugal. An argument could be made that the more liberal system is somehow more enlightened, although we are at an early stage with the things you mention, and on a tightening trend.

InfinityChild wrote: Wed Mar 05, 2025 8:09 pm Such as written erotica, AI porn, animated porn, and sex doll and/or bots? Right now all of that is illegal in UK, Canada, Australia, and other places and its so upsetting not having a legal outlet.

There are three barriers as far as I can see: first, does this align with the broader policies of political parties? if not, a politician will be pressured into conforming; second, is it popular? if it isn't, it will lose the politician votes; and third, is there money behind it? if there's people with more money advocating for the opposite, there isn't much you can do.

So, from a purely political perspective, you need to:
1. Get involved in a local political party (say greens, or liberal/social democrats) and start making the case for these changes.
2. Do outreach to local communities and try to persuade them this is something it's in their best interest to vote for.
3. Fundraise and lobby.

Otherwise, the best thing you can do is try to identify and fund test cases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_case_(law)

PorcelainLark wrote: Wed Mar 05, 2025 11:19 pm

InfinityChild wrote: Wed Mar 05, 2025 8:09 pm Such as written erotica, AI porn, animated porn, and sex doll and/or bots? Right now all of that is illegal in UK, Canada, Australia, and other places and its so upsetting not having a legal outlet.

There are three barriers as far as I can see: first, does this align with the broader policies of political parties? if not, a politician will be pressured into conforming; second, is it popular? if it isn't, it will lose the politician votes; and third, is there money behind it? if there's people with more money advocating for the opposite, there isn't much you can do.

So, from a purely political perspective, you need to:
1. Get involved in a local political party (say greens, or liberal/social democrats) and start making the case for these changes.
2. Do outreach to local communities and try to persuade them this is something it's in their best interest to vote for.
3. Fundraise and lobby.

Otherwise, the best thing you can do is try to identify and fund test cases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_case_(law)

That makes sense to me.
Actually I might join a political party just to be a voice on the inside.
The argument I have is economic. In the UK for instance it's a hot subject, just how costly the prison system is and just how many people are being convicted of crimes such as possession of CP. Add to that the new commitment to spend much more on defence. It seems to me to be the right time to argue for changes to the legal system for financial reasons as much as anything.

Ask a voter what they would prefer, three new prisons or three new hospitals and I suspect hospitals would be the bigger vote winner, particularly since the healthcare and school systems are falling apart so publicly.

Outis wrote: Thu Mar 06, 2025 12:15 am That makes sense to me.
Actually I might join a political party just to be a voice on the inside.
The argument I have is economic. In the UK for instance it's a hot subject, just how costly the prison system is and just how many people are being convicted of crimes such as possession of CP. Add to that the new commitment to spend much more on defence. It seems to me to be the right time to argue for changes to the legal system for financial reasons as much as anything.

Not bad line of argument, although I might add the suggestion of switching to a preemptive approach to crime instead of prisons, where ever possible. If you can reduce the prison system and crime at the same time it might placate worries about increasing crime rates.

Ask a voter what they would prefer, three new prisons or three new hospitals and I suspect hospitals would be the bigger vote winner, particularly since the healthcare and school systems are falling apart so publicly.

I don't know, the last time I visited the UK I saw a lot issues with anti-social behavior going unaddressed. The whole of the UK seems to be decaying from every angle. I think it needs a massive overhaul in general. At least with the Labour party there isn't as much fear about spending, underfunding of public services seems to be a massive problem, but I digress.

Yeah, though, you can't expect things to change if you don't advocate for them. I'm glad you're interested. I wouldn't be able to take that kind of risk. I wish politics wasn't so polarized at the moment that you can't really have a civil discussion of these issues.

True, the UK is falling apart, I think most people feel it. The roads are barely driveable in parts, the health service is massively overstretched, schools are being loaded in debt with buildings literally falling down they're in such disrepair. To fix the country would be a massive infrastructure investment but there's no money and ever grander promises from the armed forces to stamping out poverty. I read that the homeless numbers are up over 90% in a year with a very high number of homeless children.

I think a realistic government has to stop making grand promises and start saving money and reinvesting it where it's needed. Schools and healthcare seem like important issues and yet they're talking about prisons overflowing and having to build multiple new prisons which is hardly surprising considering the number of new crimes. When there's scenes of old ladies and vicars being jailed for climate protests and people being prosecuted for their opinions on social media it kind of explains why the prisons are over capacity. Add to that the war on pedosexuals and it's just a sink hole for money that should be going to solve real problems.