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My mission is to change the law so that you can act fully on your attraction while staying on the legal side. That takes activism and whatever is needed to change the legal system to lower or abolish age of consent laws.Aspire6 wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 11:16 pm I watched their latest video covering your comment, I have a few things to say in response to their hysteria and misinformed fear of the internet. Is their entire channel just a trauma dump to make people feel bad? Like I'm sorry to hear they were SA'd as a little girl and all the power to her for speaking up, but like is that all you upload? If it's therapeutic, sure, not going to stop you.
Just to clarify, the following is my own opinion. I do not represent the views of Mu (MAP union).
I say "we" but I don't speak for other MAPs, please keep that in mind!
First of all, I want to point and laugh at all the replies saying how you should be reported to the FBI or NCMEC. You are doing nothing illegal, you are doing nothing wrong, you are free to advocate for that cause. They are angry that you dare go against the narrative they put up and fight to pretend even works.
Now to my reply to the video uploaded about your "grooming" post (which seems to be the latest?). I will start by saying a few things (for those who may be visiting this site for the first time) to break the ice.
1. I am a MAP (I also consider myself a non-offending pedophile and I don't interact with CP)
2. I am more romantically attracted to children (primarily girls aged 5 and up) than I am sexually attracted, but I still am sexually attracted.
3. I am still a normal person, I live my life and enjoy the world.
4. I want to remain law-abiding and still live a fulfilling life.
"There are a ton of them [MAPs]"
Yes, we are everywhere. We exist and will always exist. We cannot be criminalized for our thoughts, which I have an abundance of, or advocating for a change, but rather our actions like everyone else. I get that there is knee-jerk reaction to the idea someone can get turned on looking at children, but it's the same idea of an adult male being turned on by an adult female. We're just wired to be attracted to something else, but it's the same concept. There is nothing illegal about having sexual/romantic attractions towards children. Sure, you are free to feel disgusted and hate us for it, but we are breaking no laws or harming anyone by doing such. I didn't get a say in what my brain finds attractive but I am keeping myself safe by only indulging in safe, legal, material. And no, I don't believe you "victimize" someone when you think of them sexually, that's just silly talk and thought-policing.
About the profile who had the little girl in their PFP
This is often hard for people to understand, and again it's that knee-jerk reaction. Yes, we find children attractive. Yes, we find cute kids online and use them for our PFP. My PFP here isn't a girl but on another MAP site I have a cute girl as my PFP and she is the cutest thing. This is no different than a teenager having some hot lady as their PFP or on their wall, just again these were the cards that were dealt for us. We are doing our best to follow the laws while still trying to feel like we're living a fulfilling life. A lot of us don't get the privilege of being able to have a fulfilling relationship.
About the comments regarding little girls/neighbors
I am sorry you feel disgusted by this. I do this too, I talk about neighbor girls privately with some of my MAP friends. I talk about what they've done or are doing, how cute they are being, how much I just wanna run over and give them a hug, my fantasies, etc. There is nothing wrong or illegal about that. I would rather someone talk about it than actually do it, potentially making a really bad choice. We cannot cure ourselves and suppression of our sexuality is really unfair.
"These people just walk around every day with these thoughts"
Yes, we do. I do. It brings me guilt, it makes me hate myself sometimes, but it's part of who I am and I let myself enjoy it and indulge in the fantasy of it. Not hurting anyone by doing that. Edit 1: Just because we have attractions towards children/minors doesn't mean we don't deserve to have good mental health. Try telling yourself to reject all sexuality and know that any attempt to indulge in such is both heavily stigmatized and criminalized, your whole life ruined over it. That's what we're dealing with. We are doing our best to not feel like absolute crap and still be law-abiding. This gets harder and harder every day as more things, like fiction or dolls, become criminalized.
"They think it should be normalized"
I agree, it should be normalized. People are so afraid to talk about it, you are so afraid to talk about it. I, again, understand you were SA'd as a child and I'm terribly sorry to hear that, but these laws that you stand under did nothing to actually protect you or stop you from being SA'd. Why defend them? We want change too, because we also care. I stand behind Mu's VERY Important Principles.
"You can't stop predators because they just exist but you can protect your own children"
Please don't use that term when talking about someone safely looking at children and doing them no harm or advocating for a change, we are not predators. Predators often aren't even attracted to children, they are opportunistic offenders who prey on people who can't defend themselves, like women or children. It is a terrible thing and I will never stand behind it or defend that behavior.
I won't reply to the rest of the video, because at this point they go on a tangent about how we basically are predators for looking at safe photos of children online. I look at a lot of safe videos online of little girls, which is much safer than the risk of interacting illegal material like PIM (CP, basically). There is nothing wrong with that. I recognize where the line is drawn and stay on the legal side of it all.
galileo2333 wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 11:52 pm My mission is to change the law so that you can act fully on your attraction while staying on the legal side. That takes activism and whatever is needed to change the legal system to lower or abolish age of consent laws.
My goal, and what should be the objective of the MAP movement is to make it so you can have a sexual interaction with a child, and remain law abiding.
I stand by every word you've written, Aspire6.Aspire6 wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 11:16 pm I say "we" but I don't speak for other MAPs, please keep that in mind!
Thank you, that means a lot!WavesInEternity wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 2:47 amI stand by every word you've written, Aspire6.Aspire6 wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 11:16 pm I say "we" but I don't speak for other MAPs, please keep that in mind!
And feel free to just call me "Aspire".100% agree, I'd be more willing to accept normalization that we exist and move from demonizing to harm-reduction by making sure MAPs are in a good state of mental health. Society doesn't realize the indirect harm it does to both children and MAPs by taking this approach of "scorched-earth" with people who admit to having a minor attraction.WavesInEternity wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 2:47 am Yes, society ought to normalize our existence. MAPs won't ever disappear, no matter how repressive—or even outright genocidal—laws become. Most of us don't harm anyone. Instead of demonizing us, what should be happening is dialogue with the aim of mutual understanding and harm reduction.
I don't think I've gotten a chance to say how terrible I feel to hear about your mothers abuse as a child. I've seen a few posts of you mention it, but I think I avoided it as to keep a thread on-track. It is terrible that it happened, it is terrible that any CSA happens and I hope one day it can be reduced with the right approach by society. The current way is not working.WavesInEternity wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 2:47 am My mother is a victim of severe incestuous CSA. Her child ended up being a MAP. What would you do if your child had those desires? Disown him? Lock him up? Force him to undergo chemical castration (which doesn't actually work)? Would your attitude have made it so that he'd hide his feelings from you, grappling alone with self-hatred and suicidal ideas, as I often did when I was younger?
Or, perhaps, would you do like my mother eventually did and try to understand me? It was far from easy for her to overcome the knee-jerk reaction of fear and repulsion. It took many years. But it happened, and now she talks to me about those matters with respect and compassion. She explains to me how she was hurt so I don't repeat the mistakes of the men who passed on those genes to me. I explain to her what's helpful for me to live a reasonably happy and fulfilling life without causing harm to others (erotic fiction, for instance).
I was just scrolling on Reddit (I know, I know), and I came across an AskReddit post about the "most NSFW thing you've seen on the internet" and one, heavily upvoted, reply was how there are "so many pedophiles" on the internet. The replies to that were of course in support of how much of a "problem" it is. Even had one wife say their husband works at the ICAC as a detective and blah blah "you're a hero" etc etc. Had to roll my eyes a little after reading the thread. A few about how they are "everywhere" and how they're people you "never expect" and it's like yeah, 1-5% is still a lot of people??? You guys shove us in a corner and don't give us an out and then get mad when we try to get help. It's so messed up. It makes me so frustrated. But sure, get your free karma for saying "pedo bad" on Reddit. Typical.WavesInEternity wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 2:47 am MAPs aren't "monsters out there on the Internet". They're likely to be among the people you love and cherish.
For my own safety, I won't say my other accounts, but I am on a lot of sites. Some purely MAP-related and some mixed with other subjects. I have an E2EE group chat with all my MAP friends on Matrix where we send each other YouTube videos of cute girls or photos of them being adorable (all SFW ofc, we don't want to break the law). It's a lot of fun. If you ever want to chat privately, let me know and we can work up an email exchange.WavesInEternity wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 2:47 am Edit: And yes, I do have a little girl as my PFP. Isn't she adorable? The fact that there's also a romantic & erotic component to the feeling for me doesn't erase the other parts of the aesthetic appreciation, which really isn't that different for me than for anyone else who thinks that cute children are, well, really charming.
I wish I'd been asked this in my interrogation. My planned answer was "if you come out to a neighbor as a MAP and they say 'I have a coworker like that'" and that's the end of it, that's what normalization looks like to me.They think it should be normalized