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As a pro c, simply having a different opinion from anti Cs is not what makes me dislike them, the reason I dislike them is because they have built their entire brand catering to our oppressors and hating on their own community.

1.They refuse to challenge any of the beliefs of the people who literally want them to be genocided.

Antis routinely call for the mass murder/genocide of maps with absolutely zero social backlash and full social support. They claim that a blowjob is worse for a kid than murder and that a kid will be traumatized by natural human body parts that have quite literally existed for the entirety of mankind. They claim that sex is more complicated than long division, more tying than a soul bond, and more dangerous than using a loaded gun. They say that simply finding someone attractive makes you worse than satan himself and warrants rotting in jail, being murdered and tortured, and rotting in hell. And heres the fun, part ANTI CS FULLY SUPPORT THEIR VIEWS. They refuse to question the bigoted bs that theyve been taught because GOD FORBID they have a different opinion then their literal OPRESSORS!

2.Their entire movement is not based on “protecting children” but self flagellation and hating Pro Cs. If you even type “anti C” in tumblr, the majority of the posts are somewhere along the lines of “I may be a yicky disgusting pdf but at least im not a yicky disgusting AND STINKY Pro C pdf, im bad but those guys are worse! Focus on them! We dont deserve to be genocided for our worldview, the Pro Cs do!”

Or how about this asshole, no group deserves to be genocided over having AN OPINION. Your advocating for the mass torture and death of your own kind and siding with the very people that want YOU, yes YOU dead because God forbid someone doesnt buy into the common narrative that sucking a kids dick is worse than the most brutal forms of torture and the spiritual equivalent of repeatedly murdering their soul for eternity.

3. They make mapness seem like a mental illness.

They advocate that instead of Maps being locked away in prison forever, they should be locked away in psych wards forever instead! Wonderful! Look what that has gotten us! Antis still think maps are evil but now they think we are mentally ill AND evil! Great

4.They arent helping themselves by refusing to challenge the “dangers” of a kid having sex.

Agreeing with antis that under 18 sex is worse than torture and death and that giving a kid a handjob makes you basically hitler and then admitting that you have the very attraction that leads to said sexual encounter doesnt make you a “hero” to antis, it makes you a ticking time bomb. Antis wont respect you if your a coward who supports the very hysteria that leaves you oppressed in the first place.

5.They refuse to let anyone, especially newcomers, have a different opinion.

Pro Cs tend to be more lenient and accepting of different viewpoints. Anti Cs however, are very much “If you dont agree with everything I say word for word you are basically worse than Hitler himself and deserve to be tortured.” If you dare to have a different opinion, you get harrased, doxxed, stalked, etc. Even literal neo nazis arent treated this badly for having different opinions than the norm.

6. They refuse to engage in discussion.

They are once again, very “my way or the highway”. They dont even allow themselves to SEE anyone who has a different opinion, they block or harass on sight. Let alone having a meaningful debate with us. Nothing in their mind goes “maybe, just maybe, the reason why such a large part of my community supports this stance isnt because they are pure evil monsters from the depths of hell released on earth to torture young humans into a life of endless suffering, maybe, just maybe, they have a valid reason for not viewing a sexual encounter on the same level as mass murder.(tbf, they dont even view mass murderers as bad as pro C maps.) Their a group of anti intellectuals, refusing to engage in debate with other contact stances or discuss contradicting evidence pf the affects of AMSC because it “offends” them

7. They HATE themselves.

Look on virped, its a bunch of “im basically worse than satan because I get a boner to kids, im a monster because I found a kid pretty, im evil because I think someones hot. Dont get me wrong, I have those moments too, I even made a recent post of me having a self hating moment, but it is FAR more common and FAR more widespread in Anti C communities. The antis wont “accept” you unless you hate yourself. They say it themselves, the only good pedo, to them, is one that wants to die or is dead. And these are the bigoted scum that Anti C peds listen to. Smh. Not to mention, even though you label yourself as “anti offending”, you could easily become an offender yourself if your inhibtion was low enough(drugs, alcohol, stress) and you met a kid with a nice enough personality and hot enough bod, you anti Cs could EASILY become apart of the very group you want to see tortured, murdered, experimented on over a MISTAKE, and thats fine with yall?

Tldr, they are eager and willing to cut off half of their own community, feed into hysteria, self flagillate themselves, for the sliver of non existant praise from antis.

I was friends with an anti C map at the begining of my pdf journey. I asked her why she hates offenders and thinks they should be tortured and killed, she said it was because they commit abuse. I asked her why she felt this way about child sexual abusers and not child physical abusers, espcially since I was physically abused as a child. Why one child abuser deserves forgivness and rehabilitation while the other deserves to be treated worse than the common rat. Especially since she has so much in common attraction wise. She said, to paraphrase lightly “because society says one is worse than the other, so child sex abusers should know better while child physical abusers dont know any better.”

Excuse me, what?! So the only reason, and you admit this yourself, that you view AMSC so badly is because SOCIETY SAYS SO??!? SERIOUSLY?!? THE SAME SOCIETY THAT WANTS YOU IN THE GRAVE OR WORSE OVER WHAT GETS YOU WET!? Your siding with THAT society?!?

Not to mention, telling a survivor of childhood physical abuse that my abusers simply “didnt know better” because society “didnt tell them” and condemning other “child abusers”, the people that are part of the same opressed minority you are, to TORTURE, MURDER, AND GENOCIDE simply because society says so. I blocked her after that. You cant make this shit up (dont get me wrong I dont think that child physical abusers deserve torture, murder, and genocide either, I forgive my abusers and they worked on themselves to become better people, I dont think any criminal deserves such draconian and disprortionate punishment, espcially since their are plenty of other crimes that hurt children just as bad or even worse, like drug abuse)

Both antis and anti Cs have no value for human life as long as you dont subscribe to their worldview, as long as you dont get hard to what gets them hard, or dont find a handjob to be more dangerous and traumatizing than speeding down a roadway or a mass shooting, your life is worth less than a roaches. Its a disgusting box that im glad that I broke out of. If anti Cs were at least willing to listen to us and debate us, I would respect them, but they cant even do that, instead writing off and condeming half of their community and cowering under antis. If we should be able to rely on anyone, it should at least be our own community, but we cant even do that because to the average anti C, fitting in and getting brownie points is more important than supporting your own community.

I wish an anti C would read this, but of course, since they cant tolerate anyone with a different viewpoint than them(because they know that their view on AMSC and PIM is built on a foundation so weak and so filled with virtue signaling that it would collapse at even the slightest challenge) but they would just block me and make a post on why members of their own community need to rot eternally in hell

Disclaimer: I know that there are anti Cs who arent like this, but it seems that unfortunantly, most are, espcially on tumblr under the tag #anti contact or #anti c. Its disapointing and how hope that eventually when new maps realize that brownie points from the opressors who want them genocided mean jack shit, the size of the anti c community will die down and wont be the face of our movement

Spot on observations.
It's been a decade and I still don't understand this self hating mindset of Anti Cs.
Sometimes I wonder... do all these Anti Cs truly hate being a pdf?
Or is it just this Anti C identity that has hijacked their existence?
Whatever it is I couldn't care less. It's their life, their choice, their own hell.

On Tumblr it is certainly going to be performative, because Tumblr censors.

Outside of Tumblr, you will find this range of characters, less emphasis on performance and less emphasis on a hard label distinction.

Maybe a way of improving dialogue and getting posts like this read by those with an open mind, is to create a "Consent Discussion/Contact Discourse" forum and to prohibit any provocatively pro or anti-c statements elsewhere in public forums, or move it there. This way we are less likely to be regarded as a "pro-c forum", and those with a differing perspective might be more inclined to join in.

girllover wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 12:18 pm I still don't understand this self hating mindset of Anti Cs.
Sometimes I wonder... do all these Anti Cs truly hate being a pdf?

This is similar to the overly religious gay men of the past, who firmly believed that their desires were a terrible sin and they had to commit themselves to their faith in order to receive forgiveness.

Virpeds and some Anti-C believe that if they agree with pathologizing (sincerely or opportunistically), then they will be considered less bad, they will be considered sick, but not monsters. Perhaps they believe that someday they will be given CP in pharmacies, like drug addicts get drugs in some countries. (Sarcasm). But in order to be decent and virtuous, you don’t need to allow others to consider you sick and inferior.

I can't really argue with that.

I don't hate anti C maps because I do understand their perspective and have some sympathy toward it. I don't want to stereotype anti C maps but I think in general there are different reasons for people to be anti C maps.

1. They genuinely believe contact pedophilia is wrong and they see their own pedophilia as something bad. I do sympathise with these. I don't agree with them but I respect their perspective.

2. Other take an anti-C perspective because they think if they side with the anti-map minority then they'll win their sympathy and acceptance or at the very least the sympathy and acceptance of the silent majority. I have less respect for these since it's nothing more than throwing maps under the bus to try to make their own situation a bit more bearable. It's also a flawed strategy in my opinion since all you're doing is reaffirming the views of the anti community in general which will ultimately come back to bite you.

It's that second group that I see as dangerous because they throw maps under the bus for purely selfish reasons and they refuse to even try to see the world from the pro-c community perspective. I can respect those in group 1 who have genuine beliefs and they're not the ones throwing other maps under the bus.