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Some people in our community employ deliberately extreme labeling.

While I don't agree with this as a strategy (normies are too dumb to gauge it correctly, MAPs too dumb to pitch it perfectly), I brainstormed arguments for this approach.

https://www.boychat.org/messages/1629180.htm

Do we have any more arguments supporting the use of extreme, depraved and politically militant self-identifiers by MAPs?

Extremist ideologies work well only when there is no 'victim'.

In the case of gays, their behavior was considered gross and deviant, but there was never a 'victim' or a potential victim.

When extreme ideologies lead to victims, such as violent attacks committed by radical Muslims, these ideologies become harmful to the movement.

When people joke about being 'proud kidfuckers', it has the same menacing implication.

"We're here, we're queer!" has one kind of impact.

"We're here, we're going to rape your kid in his sleep!" has.... another kind of impact.

What's so menacing about "kidfucker"? Sure, it's crass and I wouldn't use it to describe myself but it doesn't automatically imply rape. I understand that it will be seen as synonymous with "kiddie rapist" by mainstream culture, but that's exactly the attitude we need to be changing. If paedophiles begin owning the label "kidfucker" and reject the label "kiddie rapist" this might lead to a decoupling of the two terms and a more honest discussion about adult-child relationships.

BLueRibbon wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 3:11 am "We're here, we're queer!" has one kind of impact.

"We're here, we're going to rape your kid in his sleep!" has.... another kind of impact.

Interesting you should say that, because "We're here, we're queer, we're coming for your children" was literally adopted by gays as an ironic catchphrase. They might not have been aiming to be perceived as molesters, but they were certainly trying to use the slogan as extremist visibility engineering. It was being used as a bait.

Kind of reminds me of the way mrgirl approaches things, i.e. some things are so uncomfortable you can get around them, so you just embrace all the negative expressions and images people have of something.
Take for example, his song "I'm a Pedophile", it embraces every misconception people had of him to the extreme.
https://fstube.net/w/1vpJp2Vnm6udLx1sg92hkM

However, as cathartic as that is, I'm not sure it actually works because you aren't actually challenging what people believe. Plus it may blur the line between active and non-active pedophiles (however, I think if you're pro-contact, I think logically speaking that line shouldn't matter, but it's a massive risk not just because of potential legal liability, also letting your community descend into nihilism/anarchism and the problems which come with that, but I digress).
Maybe embracing the expression "we're coming for your kids" only works because there's a much higher level of acceptance of LGBT people than of MAPs. Maybe if there were more open MAPs, it would be easier for them to detect the irony because they'd know us personally.