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Arrest in Norway Shines Light Onto MAP Support Group
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-6oQ18FLeA

I already know that journalists aren't people, I guess we can add academics to that list because if you're promoting something called "Virtuous Pedophiles", you get the wood chipper too, you weird ass fuck.

Hostility to academics tied to hostility to MAPs?

Members of the online pro-pedophile community have stated that at least one of the incidents of sexual abuse for which Charlie is charged occurred at a "MAP community conference."

Why were there minors at a minor attracted person community conference? … People bring kids to those? I certainly hope not.

Misinformation from the article leads to further misconceptions. It was Sammy not Charlie who harassed an adult.

Virtuous Pedophiles is a group founded in 2012 that purports to seek the de-stigmatization of pedophilia in order to facilitate "harm prevention and personal support."

No, no, see there are some things that should not be destigmatized. Pedophilia is one of them. I don't know, man ... this is like NAMBLA almost.

Any community of MAPs is NAMBLA.

The charges leveled against the VirPed director stand in direct opposition to the group's stated goals, and calls into question the group's claims about its own operations.

It's crazy that we need to wait for something like this to happen, to be like, "maybe the virtuous pedophiles group isn't actually as virtuous as they propose." I miss common sense, chat.

I wonder how much better for PR it would be if VirPed had been called something else more neutral like "Preventionist Peer support"? People always take issue with the word "virtuous", but I don't think VirPed actually think of it in self-congratulatory terms.

"It's been difficult dealing with this news ever since I found out, but I firmly believe Charlie to be a good and upstanding person. This will be an incredibly difficult time for him and our community. What's important is that we stand together and support each other through this process."

This person's like "this is incredibly important, we'll all finally know if we can go out and touch children based on what happens to him." Holy fuck, why is this group allowed?

Feels like a weird leap. If a person you're friends with is potentially going to prison, why wouldn't you be upset over the fact you won't get to see them?

The terms pro-contact and no-contact or anti-contact are used to differentiate who believe sex with minors should be legalized and those who claim to avoid acting on their urge to abuse.

I don't really care what they claim.

This framing is weird, contact is an ethical position. Like if you say you think pirating movies is bad; sure, it's implies you don't pirate, but the primary claim is whether or not you feel/think piracy is a bad. People do things that are in conflict with their own values all the time, it doesn't mean they're lying about what they claim to believe.

Both of the directors have been arrested children.

Nope. Again the article has mislead.

"Our prime goal was primarily the public relations aspect regarding the public, to help people see we're not all molesters, but along with that there's also a desire to help the pedophiles who qualify. The website is a rare spot where pedophiles can acknowledge their problem and seek help to keep their impulses under control without fear of being exposed to a world where hysteria about child molesters can cloud any understanding of and research into the problem of pedophilia."

No, you see I think where we have failed as a species is that we stopped just executing child molesters as soon as they were caught. I feel this is where we started having a downfall as a species.

This is a fantasy. You would be unpleasantly surprised by minor-adult sexual relations in the past. This nostalgia for a time when people were harsher on pedophiles depends on something imaginary.

"A lot of pedophiles never sexually abuse a child and never would, like no chance at all." He said. "But it's very hard to have to keep a big secret."

I feel like it's not, and the only reason you tell people is because you partially get off on the thrill of doing something so taboo.

Weirdest take of the entire video, pretending keeping secrets isn't difficult, and that desire to confide in others is exhibitionism.

The exact wording varies by jurisdiction but often mental health professionals err on the side of caution due to fear of lawsuits. Reporting even cases where the risk of a person acting on their impulses is not great. Or where a patient's comments don't involve a specific child.

That's because the normal human reaction to pedophilic thoughts is disgust, and horror, and wanting them to be taken away.

Interesting, how would you know this is true? What if antis are just a vocal minority browbeating the rest of society into toeing the line? I mean through out history, adult-minor sexual relations have been accepted in one form or another. It's a big claim to call that "reaction" (I'm not convinced it isn't performative outrage) "natural".

This Vtuber “person” is just an influencer trying to latch on to the anti-pedo panic. Their solutions are authoritarian. Not allowing pedophiles near children(it happens all the time!) and asking why groups like Virped are “allowed”, basically manufacturing consent to have them banned.

The name.

They should have changed the name when it stopped getting support in the media, and were repeatedly warned it was a liability. MAPs for Preventionist Ethics - that explains in as much detail as necessary, their disagreement and why they even set up. Turn it into an acronym mpe.space and use virped.org as a permanent redirect. The change costs $100 maximum.

The only reason the name doesn't change is intransigence. Hostage mindset.