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Mu Conversations: A MAP-Law Enforcement Collaboration?

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 10:51 am
by Jim Burton
This could be a provocative Mu article, if it falls into the right hands (although the subject matter might be something which is technically possible - discuss)

https://www.map-union.org/perspectives/ ... ns-map-leo
Dan Finkelstein

I fully appreciate this might feel like boiling the ocean, or even asking the Free Palestine movement to get into bed with the Directors of Raytheon, but here I would like to raise the possibility of a MAP Law-Enforcement Collaboration. If anything, as a conversation starter.

The precedents have always been strong. B4U-ACT, a collaboration between MAPs and clinicians has been going for almost a quarter of a century, and even successfully obtained state funding during its formative years under the late MAP thought-leader, Michael Melsheimer. By playing the long game, and thinking outside the box, MAPs managed to foster an identity and genuine, organic growth in ways previously unimaginable. It was an unprecedented success.

So, might there be a case for a project where MAPs collaborate with strictly-vetted LEOs?

Re: Mu Conversations: A MAP-Law Enforcement Collaboration?

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2025 4:17 pm
by JGHeaven
I don't see any benefit.

LEO's don't define the law, they have no impact on the law, they only enforce it to the letter.
I was reading recently about the police being criticised for enforcing a law against people harming nobody and their response was that they will continue to enforce even silly laws until they are changed.

So I don't see any benefit in engaging with LEO's since the relationship can only go one way. LEO asks you to report on anyone breaking the law, you report anyone you suspect, they get arrested. How is that moving the needle other than bolstering LEO stats?

If you want to engage with anyone, engage with law makers, legal organisations, law firms, policy makers, think tanks.

Or to put it another way. Don't waste your time with the monkey, go straight to the organ grinder.

Re: Mu Conversations: A MAP-Law Enforcement Collaboration?

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2025 6:47 am
by notetaker
JGHeaven wrote: Fri Sep 05, 2025 4:17 pm If you want to engage with anyone, engage with law makers, legal organisations, law firms, policy makers, think tanks.

Or to put it another way. Don't waste your time with the monkey, go straight to the organ grinder.
Agreed. It's next to impossible to reason with someone whose major purpose is to come down on anyone that breaks laws. Henchmen don't think for themselves, that's why they're called henchmen.

Re: Mu Conversations: A MAP-Law Enforcement Collaboration?

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2025 10:18 am
by JGHeaven
notetaker wrote: Wed Sep 10, 2025 6:47 am Agreed. It's next to impossible to reason with someone whose major purpose is to come down on anyone that breaks laws. Henchmen don't think for themselves, that's why they're called henchmen.
That is a very good way to put it.