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“Pedophiles should get a 100 year prison sentence without parol and be raped and beaten daily and tortured and expiremented on on the weekends. They should also be rounded up and gassed like what hitler did to the jews. Rapists should be exploited for non stop slave labor. Everyone else who commits a crime should get a ten dollar fine and five minutes timeout.”

Its no surprise that the prison abolition movement isnt taking off. Probably because its hypocritical bullshit virtue signaling and not actually “prison abolitionism” but, “weed should be legalism”. I dont know if actual “prison abolitionists” exist. But so far I have never met a single “woke radical progressive leftist” who actually believes or supports in anything even remotely abolotionist of prison, unless its for the “good crimes” they like like smoking weed and shoplifting makeup from walmart. Lmao ur not a prison abolitionist then, stop lying about being one to virtue signal. Same with “rehabillationists”. They are always like “every human being deserves a second chance and life is better for everyone when rehabillitation is introduced, even for the people you dont like, except for pedophiles and rapists, who should get their arms and legs and dicks chopped off and hung from skewers attached to their spine and used as pinatas at birthday parties, because I dont like them, I am such a good person give me brownie points!”

Whenever I see a so called “prison abolitionists” or “rehabillationist” I just ignore them because I am aware that they are just shitting out their mouths and falsely claiming the title to virtue signal and the only crime they actually believe should have any form of reform done is just smoking weed and Maaaybbeee shoplifting.

Yep, bring up pedophilia and watch most "radical progressive leftists" instantly turn into hardcore conservatives. It's like magic.

Conservative: "Degenerates should be locked away"
Leftist: "The prison industrial complex is modern slavery and I believe in rehabilitation rather than punishment"
Same leftist after bringing up pedophilia: "These degenerates should be locked away"

Conservative: "Gay people should get help to cure their mental illness"
Leftist: "Conversion therapy is torture. You can't change someone's sexuality and trying to do so is unethical."
Same leftist after bringing up pedophilia: "They should get help to cure their mental illness"

Conservative: "Children can't understand being gay or transgender, it's just confusion and grooming"
Leftist: "Children can understand attraction and gender, and they are able to determine which one they identify as."
Same leftist after bringing up pedophilia: "Children's brain are too underdeveloped to consent to anything, it's just confusion and grooming"

There are probably a ton more exemples possible using this format. In fact I think the above could be used as an effective meme format by MAPs activists.

Yeah, there was a left who maintained a stance of abolishing prisons and was not so hypocritical about sex between adults and minors (for example, Foucault), but it's now extinct. All that remains is what you mention: people willing to defend the harshest penalties for all sexual crimes, whether consensual relations between adults and minors or actual sexual assaults.

Punitive attitudes and puritanism managed to infiltrate the left in this way. Because, at the end of the day, what they have are puritanical values in which they consider sex to be something negative... what bothers them most about sexual assault isn't that it's assault, but that it's sexual. Touching someone's butt without consent seems much more serious to them than punching them in the face and breaking their nose.

However, antipunitivism is still considered a positive value... so we have this huge contradiction, a left that prides itself on being antipunitivist while not being so at all.

Sometimes they try to rationalize it, which is pathetic, because then it's even more contradictory. They end up saying things like “you can't reintegrate sex offenders” when, in reality, the recidivism rate for people convicted of sex crimes is lower than for many other crimes.

Being to able to rehabilitate all groups of people means ALL groups.

Once, I had a discussion with someone who was very close to the idea of "abolishing prisons", and when the conversation turned to pedophiles and rapists, they immediately brought up the death penalty or committing them to asylums, considering them “irrecoverable” people who should never interact with society again, as if they were evil by nature. (I mention evil because they wouldn’t respond this way to crimes committed by mentally ill people.)

Which is "funny", since prisons were originally meant to avoid applying the death penalty for every offense.

For me, prison’s sole purpose should be to reintegrate the person into society—help them study, give them a job and support—but well, that’s just my view.

This raises an interesting philosophical question.

If MAPs are not treated as actual people, should we be expected to behave like people? Do we have such a moral obligation?

BLueRibbon wrote: Wed Oct 01, 2025 1:21 pm This raises an interesting philosophical question.

If MAPs are not treated as actual people, should we be expected to behave like people? Do we have such a moral obligation?

No, we dont. If we arent humans then we arent obligated to follow human laws or human “morals”.

Liyowo wrote: Tue Sep 30, 2025 11:47 pm
Conservative: "Children can't understand being gay or transgender, it's just confusion and grooming"
Leftist: "Children can understand attraction and gender, and they are able to determine which one they identify as."
Same leftist after bringing up pedophilia: "Children's brain are too underdeveloped to consent to anything, it's just confusion and grooming"

This is exact example brings up a blinding hypocrisy in the left/lgbt that I genuinely believe, if not confronted(which it wont be because that would be “lItErAl PeDoPhIlLia aNd GrOOmInG”) is what will lead to lgbt rights being removed and becoming illegal again. A big part of the lgbt gaining rights, after betraying MAPs for assimilation of course, was that there sexuality comes from birth and not from “grooming” and that they want nothing do to with kids. But now, they are saying that sexuality DOESNT come from birth and is instead “groomed” into “children” by “pedophiles”, and that attraction to children doesnt count as a sexuality or as gay because in their own words “children arent a gender. So if you are an adult man attracted to boys, that doesnt make you queer because “children arent a gender”, but what they fail to realize is that that directly implies that male children attracted to other male children arent queer because in their own words, “children arent a gender”, and that would mean that only male children attracted to male adults can be queer, but that cant be right either, because children being attracted to adults is “grooming” and children should only be with/into other children. So this logic directly erases the existence of queer children/being “born this way” and implies that queerness is either artficially created once you are 18 or older instead of being a natural inborn and innate characteristic or is a result of “grooming”.

They also say that they want nothing to do with kids because they arent “groomers” and that kids cant have a sexuality and shouldnt be taught about anything related to sexuality by adults or even other kids because they “cant consent” and it is “grooming” and kids are “innocent”, then turn around and bitch and whine about lgbt books being banned and drag queens not being allowed for story time or 18+ pride parades. Oh but-I thought that kids couldnt consent to sexuality right? I thought you said that kids were asexual and aromantic and “innocent” and any expression of sexuality in them, espcially if it involves adults, was a result of “grooming”. And gayness is a sexuality is it not? And children are pure, innocent, and asexual and aromantic, right? Which means if they claim to have a sexuality(which includes being gay or lesbian), by your own logic, it is the result of “grooming” by “pedophiles”, so once again, by your own admission, “queer” children arent really queer and are just “groomed” by “pedophiles”.

And of course, instead of the left/lgbt facing this blinding hypocrisy by admitting that kids ARE naturally sexual beings that CAN CONSENT and are not “ruined forever” if they dare to break away from that pure innocent virgin mold, they double down. They put “minors dni” on everything and make pride parades 18+ or completely sanatize it of anything queer except for maaaybeee handholding or kissing and go hysterical when queer kids do anything acrually, yknow, queer?? Which will save them from “the pedo smear” sure, but directly calls into question the whole “born this way” narrative, because you cant claim that your sexuality is an innate characteristic that you were literally born with then also claim that all lids are “innocenct” and “asexual” and “blank slates” that are incabpe of having a sexuality unless it is “groomed” or “sexualized” into them by “pedophiles”. Now conservatives are asking the queer adults “whos to say that you havent been groomed by pedophiles and thats the only reason your queer? Whos to say that you arent grooming kids into queerness” and they have no answer, except for “I pinky promise its not “grooming”, this doesnt count as “real grooming”. Which is a bullshit defense that makes no sense, because there is no such thing as “real grooming” in the first place, as it is just a weaponized insult to instantly demonize any relationship or activity the moral majority finds “innapropriate”. Which includes not only every MAP relationship, no matter how healthy or loving, but can and WILL include the lgbt and their relationships, as there is no way to completely eliminate children from their sexuality, since children are born with sexuality and they are also legally adopting children now. Banning kids from thier movement and throwing all queer kids and Maps and queer Maps from their movement to avoid being “problamatic” will lead to their downfall and I dont feel bad for them one bit. The conservatives will just keep exapanding thier definition of “grooming” and “pedophillia” and “csa”, and since all these terms are extremely vague and just used as insults in the first place they will technically be 100% correct. And if the left/lgbt dont want to fight back because it would be “problamatic” to “literally normalize pedophillia” then all that they have worked for will collapse and I wont feel bad for them one bit

Liyowo wrote: Tue Sep 30, 2025 11:47 pm
Conservative: "Children can't understand being gay or transgender, it's just confusion and grooming"
Leftist: "Children can understand attraction and gender, and they are able to determine which one they identify as."
Same leftist after bringing up pedophilia: "Children's brain are too underdeveloped to consent to anything, it's just confusion and grooming"

This is exact example brings up a blinding hypocrisy in the left/lgbt that I genuinely believe, if not confronted(which it wont be because that would be “lItErAl PeDoPhIlLia aNd GrOOmInG”) is what will lead to lgbt rights being removed and becoming illegal again. A big part of the lgbt gaining rights, after betraying MAPs for assimilation of course, was that there sexuality comes from birth and not from “grooming” and that they want nothing do to with kids. But now, they are saying that sexuality DOESNT come from birth and is instead “groomed” into “children” by “pedophiles”, and that attraction to children doesnt count as a sexuality or as gay because in their own words “children arent a gender. So if you are an adult man attracted to boys, that doesnt make you queer because “children arent a gender”, but what they fail to realize is that that directly implies that male children attracted to other male children arent queer because in their own words, “children arent a gender”, and that would mean that only male children attracted to male adults can be queer, but that cant be right either, because children being attracted to adults is “grooming” and children should only be with/into other children. So this logic directly erases the existence of queer children/being “born this way” and implies that queerness is either artficially created once you are 18 or older instead of being a natural inborn and innate characteristic or is a result of “grooming”.

They also say that they want nothing to do with kids because they arent “groomers” and that kids cant have a sexuality and shouldnt be taught about anything related to sexuality by adults or even other kids because they “cant consent” and it is “grooming” and kids are “innocent”, then turn around and bitch and whine about lgbt books being banned and drag queens not being allowed for story time or 18+ pride parades. Oh but-I thought that kids couldnt consent to sexuality right? I thought you said that kids were asexual and aromantic and “innocent” and any expression of sexuality in them, espcially if it involves adults, was a result of “grooming”. And gayness is a sexuality is it not? And children are pure, innocent, and asexual and aromantic, right? Which means if they claim to have a sexuality(which includes being gay or lesbian), by your own logic, it is the result of “grooming” by “pedophiles”, so once again, by your own admission, “queer” children arent really queer and are just “groomed” by “pedophiles”.

And of course, instead of the left/lgbt facing this blinding hypocrisy by admitting that kids ARE naturally sexual beings that CAN CONSENT and are not “ruined forever” if they dare to break away from that pure innocent virgin mold, they double down. They put “minors dni” on everything and make pride parades 18+ or completely sanatize it of anything queer except for maaaybeee handholding or kissing and go hysterical when queer kids do anything acrually, yknow, queer?? Which will save them from “the pedo smear” sure, but directly calls into question the whole “born this way” narrative, because you cant claim that your sexuality is an innate characteristic that you were literally born with then also claim that all lids are “innocenct” and “asexual” and “blank slates” that are incabpe of having a sexuality unless it is “groomed” or “sexualized” into them by “pedophiles”. Now conservatives are asking the queer adults “whos to say that you havent been groomed by pedophiles and thats the only reason your queer? Whos to say that you arent grooming kids into queerness” and they have no answer, except for “I pinky promise its not “grooming”, this doesnt count as “real grooming”. Which is a bullshit defense that makes no sense, because there is no such thing as “real grooming” in the first place, as it is just a weaponized insult to instantly demonize any relationship or activity the moral majority finds “innapropriate”. Which includes not only every MAP relationship, no matter how healthy or loving, but can and WILL include the lgbt and their relationships, as there is no way to completely eliminate children from their sexuality, since children are born with sexuality and they are also legally adopting children now. Banning kids from thier movement and throwing all queer kids and Maps and queer Maps from their movement to avoid being “problamatic” will lead to their downfall and I dont feel bad for them one bit. The conservatives will just keep exapanding thier definition of “grooming” and “pedophillia” and “csa”, and since all these terms are extremely vague and just used as insults or are arbritrary legal terms not based in actual reality in the first place they will technically be 100% correct. And if the left/lgbt dont want to fight back because it would be “problamatic” to “literally normalize pedophillia” then all that they have worked for will collapse and I wont feel bad for them one bit

i'm a leftist, against the death penalty, and against prisons. i believe crime can be heavily mitigated as a social problem with social safety nets designed to make living easier for people. prisons are by and large a form of retributive justice. in a just world, such a thing would not need to exist. rehabilitation is not the goal of prisons, punishment is the goal. in the cases of people who do not want help, something does have to be done, but it doesn't have to be a concrete chamber with iron bars. death penalty and decade-long imprisonment does not prevent crime. social support prevents crime.

doesn't matter what the crime is, rehabilitation is possible without prison cells.

pro-para leftists exist, and i'm far from the only one. also, i'm not interested in debating what a post-prison society would look like (it's a waste of time for me to do so), i just wanted to refute the idea that someone could actually have the views i do.