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Marthijn and Lesley's delayed appeal to be heard
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 7:49 pm
by Jim Burton
Marthijn and Lesley Uittenbogaard's delayed appeal against the conviction that left them imprisoned in a dirty and violent Ecuadorian jail is supposedly about to be heard in 2 days time.
Translations via Google:
https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/Essay:The_ ... ng_updates
Re: Marthijn and Lesley's delayed appeal to be heard
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 11:41 pm
by PorcelainLark
Some more context about Ballard and OUR, for those of you who aren't familiar. A journalist named Lynn Packer did a series on Ballard and OUR, beginning with the following video.
"Op-Ed about Tim Ballard and Operation Underground Railroad"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7ScI9d6Aag
Even non-MAPs recognize Ballard's unethical behavior.
Re: Marthijn and Lesley's delayed appeal to be heard
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 11:48 pm
by Fragment
One of the saddest things about this case is just how apathetically it seems to have been received by many parts of the MAP community.
We are so resigned to being treated poorly that as a community we lack the energy to get angry about this kind of injustice.
Re: Marthijn and Lesley's delayed appeal to be heard
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2024 2:59 pm
by BLueRibbon
I hope they're willing to bribe the judge this time.
Live in a country like that, play by those rules.
They didn't get 10 years for PIM. They got it for not playing the game.
Re: Marthijn and Lesley's delayed appeal to be heard
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2024 5:48 pm
by PorcelainLark
BLueRibbon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 2:59 pm
I hope they're willing to bribe the judge this time.
Live in a country like
that, play by those rules.
They didn't get 10 years for PIM. They got it for not playing the game.
I also kept thinking they were being too idealistic, but then I noticed that line about Ballard and OUR having more money for bribery than them. If the judge's verdict goes to the highest bidder, I'm not sure it would matter whether or not they bribed the the judge. I'd like to be wrong though. However, OUR fights to save face all the time. For example, there was a woman involved in the events that
The Sound of Freedom was based off, who they completely lied about being a pimp, posting billboards with her actual face next to the actress who played her. OUR doesn't want anything that contradicts their image or gives credence to criticism of them, and are happy to bend the law to further that goal.
Re: Marthijn and Lesley's delayed appeal to be heard
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 10:09 pm
by Jim Burton
Update 13 September:
The judge's ruling has been upheld in the appeal. According to the lawyers, their defence was not listened to.
Re: Marthijn and Lesley's delayed appeal to be heard
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 12:45 am
by Aurelian
Jim Burton wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 10:09 pm
Update 13 September:
The judge's ruling has been upheld in the appeal. According to the lawyers, their defence was not listened to.
They don't even listen the defence? Man...This is so infuriating
Re: Marthijn and Lesley's delayed appeal to be heard
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 6:21 am
by Fragment
Jim Burton wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 10:09 pm
Update 13 September:
The judge's ruling has been upheld in the appeal. According to the lawyers, their defence was not listened to.
There is no justice for us.
Re: Marthijn and Lesley's delayed appeal to be heard
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 4:42 pm
by BLueRibbon
Aurelian wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2024 12:45 am
Jim Burton wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 10:09 pm
Update 13 September:
The judge's ruling has been upheld in the appeal. According to the lawyers, their defence was not listened to.
They don't even listen the defence? Man...This is so infuriating
Pay to play system.
Don't live somewhere like that if you won't play the game.