MEGA-THREAD: High-profile controversies, or accused in CP/CSA/AMSC investigations

[BLueRibbon]

Andrea Simon, executive director of the End Violence Against Women Coalition said Van de Velde’s inclusion in the Games sent a “worrying message” to men who commit rape “that there will unlikely be any consequences, and therefore no deterrent”.

Andrea Simon doesn't want justice. She wants extrajudicial punishment. For men only. Her comment in particular is disgusting.

[SunnyDliteKid]

Yes, I just saw a tiktok about this. It seems enough is never enough. No one can ever serve enough time. They want even more and more punitive actions, and more and more laws criminalizing more actions. No forgiveness for the "criminal" , no amount of restitution will ever bbe enough.

[BLueRibbon]

https://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/wou ... es-1256450

Much more information here.

The two continued to communicate after the 'rape'.

[ZeroXJoker]

Yes, I just saw a tiktok about this. It seems enough is never enough. No one can ever serve enough time. They want even more and more punitive actions, and more and more laws criminalizing more actions. No forgiveness for the "criminal" , no amount of restitution will ever bbe enough.

Yep from what I see its always "Shoot the offender and throw them into a volcano." Not to say that certain crimes can't be forgiven because somethings can't be forgiven. I do think everyone should be given a second chance.

[Rin]

Ten years ago a 19-year-old was convicted of statutory rape with a 12-year-old, and served his time. A decade later he's completed an extensive rehabilitation programme and experts had concluded there was no risk of him reoffending, but nonetheless people want him kicked from the Games. When is doing your time enough? What is the point of a criminal sentence if society won't let you reintegrate back into normal life?

Van de Velde, who is now 29, was sentenced to four years in prison in 2016 after pleading guilty to raping the British girl. He had flown to England to meet her in 2014 with full knowledge of her age, having met her on Facebook.

When he was sentenced Judge Sheridan told him: “Prior to coming to this country you were training as a potential Olympian. Your hopes of representing your country now lie as a shattered dream.” The court heard that his victim had self-harmed and taken an overdose.

Van de Velde served 12 months in a British prison, before being transferred to his home country where he was released after a further month. He has since gone on to play internationally for the Netherlands.

Story here

This double standard that people have towards teens must stop, it is reaching such absurd levels that at any moment there will be a bloodbath. On the other hand, people don't care about the justice system, they only use it when suits them, or they jump when someone goes beyond the extremist standards to ruin their lives.

[BLueRibbon]

Ten years ago a 19-year-old was convicted of statutory rape with a 12-year-old, and served his time. A decade later he's completed an extensive rehabilitation programme and experts had concluded there was no risk of him reoffending, but nonetheless people want him kicked from the Games. When is doing your time enough? What is the point of a criminal sentence if society won't let you reintegrate back into normal life?

Van de Velde, who is now 29, was sentenced to four years in prison in 2016 after pleading guilty to raping the British girl. He had flown to England to meet her in 2014 with full knowledge of her age, having met her on Facebook.

When he was sentenced Judge Sheridan told him: “Prior to coming to this country you were training as a potential Olympian. Your hopes of representing your country now lie as a shattered dream.” The court heard that his victim had self-harmed and taken an overdose.

Van de Velde served 12 months in a British prison, before being transferred to his home country where he was released after a further month. He has since gone on to play internationally for the Netherlands.

Story here

This double standard that people have towards teens must stop, it is reaching such absurd levels that at any moment there will be a bloodbath.On the other hand, people don't care about the justice system, they only use it when suits them, or they jump when someone goes beyond the extremist standards to ruin their lives.

Yes, I think western countries are going to slowly breed extremism among MAPs the same way they bred extremism among Muslims with their brutal invasions. I hope I'm wrong, but the persecution of MAPs has become so outrageous that it's surely only a matter of time before a young MAP, or a sex offender with nothing to lose, snaps.

Earlier this week, there was a horrific case in the UK; a 17 year old inexplicably stabbed three children to death in a rampage. My first thought was, "I hope this is not an MAP that went insane, got thoughts twisted around in his head, and took it out on the children he could not have."

Check out my essay The Push, linked in my signature.

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The Sun on Huw Edwards:

Pain of vulnerable young victims in Huw Edwards abuse pictures must never be forgotten
I was 17 and a schoolboy when Huw Edwards sent me kisses

The Sun on 16 year old Samantha Fox, whom they photographed topless while under the same (Murdoch) ownership:

Sam, 16, Quits A-Levels for Ooh-Levels (cropped image)

"Head sees red over his topless pupil"

"SIZZLING schoolgirl Samantha Fox has quit her A-level studies because of a rumpus over a saucy picture."

Oh, but that happened years ago when things were different?

The Sun's US edition doesn't think that kind of thing matters.

[BLueRibbon]

Our thoughts are with Samantha Fox, whose pain must never be forgotten.

Did you know that she DROPPED OUT OF SCHOOL to work for The Sun after they started GROOMING her to become a CHILD MODEL? I say we contact the CPS and get them to investigate whether they still have these SICK images in their archives!

[ZVOTD]

In my opinion we shouldn't even use their terms like "statuatory rape," even if that is the name that the law calls it. From what I have seen, I have seen no evidence that he actually raped the girl, and we should not under any circumstances give into their terrible mindset that willing relationships between a minor and someone older is "rape."

[Artaxerxes II]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cmj260e54x7o:

Huw Edwards, once the BBC's most senior news presenter, has pleaded guilty to three counts of making indecent images of children.
He admitted having 41 indecent images of children, which had been sent to him by another man on WhatsApp, Westminster Magistrates' Court heard.
They included seven category A images, the most serious classification - two of which showed a child aged between about seven and nine.
Police later revealed the man who sent the images to Edwards was a convicted paedophile.
Until last year, Edwards was one of the main presenters on BBC One's News at Ten and often fronted coverage of major national events.

The BBC said it was "shocked" and he would have been sacked if he had been charged before he left the corporation in April.
"There can be no place for such abhorrent behaviour and our thoughts are with all those affected," it added.
The BBC also said it had been "made aware in confidence that he had been arrested on suspicion of serious offences and released on bail" last November.
Edwards had already been suspended in relation to different allegations but remained employed on full pay until he left on "medical advice" three months ago.
He was charged last month and could now face a jail sentence. He will next appear in court on 16 September.

Edwards was flanked by police officers and surrounded by photographers as he entered and left the court on Wednesday.
He was expressionless outside court and inside the hearing, which lasted for less than half an hour.
As the charges were read to him, he replied "guilty" three times, quietly and calmly.
The court heard he had been involved in online chat on WhatsApp from December 2020 with an adult man, who sent him 377 sexual images, of which 41 were indecent images of children.
Under the law, images can mean both video clips and still pictures. The Crown Prosecution Service said most of the category A images were estimated to show children aged between 13 and 15. Two clips showed a child aged about seven to nine.
Category A images show serious abuse including penetrative sexual activity.
He also had 12 category B pictures, which involve non-penetrative sexual activity, and 22 photographs in category C, which covers other indecent images. The category B and C pictures showed children aged between 12 to 15.
After the hearing, police said officers started investigating Edwards after seizing a phone as part of an unrelated probe, which revealed his participation in a WhatsApp conversation.
The Metropolitan Police said a 25-year-old paedophile called Alex Williams, who was sentenced to a suspended 12-month jail sentence at Merthyr Tydfil Crown Court in Wales on 15 March, had shared indecent images of children with Edwards.

The court was earlier told that, on 2 February 2021, the other man asked whether what he was sending was too young, to which Edwards asked him not to send any underage images.
The final indecent image was sent in August 2021 - a category A film featuring a young boy.
The man told Edwards the boy was quite young looking, and that he had more images which were illegal, the court was told.
Edwards told him not to send any illegal images.
No more were sent, and the pair continued to exchange legal pornographic images until April 2022.
Edwards's barrister Philip Evans KC told the court: "There’s no suggestion in this case that Mr Edwards has... in the traditional sense of the word, created any image of any sort."
He added that Edwards "did not keep any images, did not send any to anyone else and did not and has not sought similar images from anywhere else".
Mr Evans also said the former broadcaster had experienced "both mental and physical" health issues.
The barrister told the court his client "was not just of good character, but of exceptional character".
Edwards has not been on air since last July following high-profile reports in the Sun newspaper claiming he paid a young person for sexually explicit images.
The Metropolitan Police said they found no evidence of criminal behaviour in relation to those allegations, and that the current case was separate.
"These allegations did not form part of the matter which was considered by police in July 2023. They were investigated separately as a standalone case," a police spokesperson said.

Edwards was suspended by the BBC last July and executives began an internal investigation, which has not revealed its conclusions. He resigned in April.
Edwards received between £475,000-£479,999 between April 2023 and April 2024, an increase of £40,000 on the previous year.

'Making' indecent images - what does the law say?

Edwards pleaded guilty to three charges of making indecent photographs of a child. In the law, a photograph can also mean video footage.
"Making" indecent images can have a wide legal definition, and covers more than simply taking or filming the original picture or clip.
The Crown Prosecution Service says, external it can include opening an email attachment containing an image; downloading an image from a website to a screen; storing an image on a computer; accessing a pornographic website in which an images appears in an automatic "pop-up" window; receiving an image via social media, even if unsolicited and even if part of a group; or live-streaming images of children.
A court must also decide whether an offence falls into the category of possession, distribution or production.
According to the Sentencing Council, external, creating the original image counts as production - the more serious of the three categories. It adds that "making an image by simple downloading should be treated as possession for the purposes of sentencing".
In such cases, sentences can range from six months to three years in prison. However, a community order with a sex offender treatment programme requirement can be an alternative to jail time "where there is a sufficient prospect of rehabilitation".

'Long-lasting trauma'

In a statement after Wednesday's hearing, Claire Brinton of the CPS said: "Accessing indecent images of underage people perpetuates the sexual exploitation of children, which has deep, long-lasting trauma on these victims.
"The CPS and the Metropolitan Police were able to prove that Edwards was receiving illegal material involving children via WhatsApp."
Children's charity the NSPCC said: "Online child sexual abuse offences can have a devastating impact on victims and we should be in no doubt about the seriousness of Edwards' crimes."
The Internet Watch Foundation (IWF) also said: "This is criminal material, including images depicting the most extreme category of sexual abuse, which have real and lasting effects on victims."

Also related, Huw Edwards has his highest honour in Wales stripped from him, and the BBC is now demanding that he repays his entire salary to them:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/hu ... r-AA1ovN8V

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/bb ... r-AA1owd4y