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No matter what response a kid has to “csa” it is always pathologized. Whether its “””hypersexuality”””” (liking sex) or not being a huge fan of it, or even more stupid, when people blame all their kinks and fetishes on the “trauma”. Which is it? If the kid likes the sex its “trauma” and if they dont its still “trauma”? How convenient. Do the kids instantly sense in their gut that they are ruined forever and basically useless traumatized heaps of walking corpses destined for 24/7 sorrow and pain after getting their dick sucked, or are they so “groomed” by magical pedo grooming powers that they dont even realize that the dick sucking has destroyed their souls?

“Hypersexuality”

Liking sex doesnt make you “hypersexual”, it makes you a regular ass human being. Even liking sex more than the average person doesnt make you “hypersexual”, it makes you a slut, why are we pathologizing being a slut? Thats the shit I HATE with the “csa” narrative, if you like sex you are hypersexual and get your pussy ate to cope with the terrible and horriffic trauma of getting your pussy ate, and it is clearly a result of the “abuse”,. If you dont like sex, it is because you are too traumatized and scarred by sex and is clearly a result of the “abuse”, and if you like sex “the normal amount”, that is also a result of the abuse and every time you or do not have or enjoy sex is just either an expression of hypersexuality or crippling sex fear. Its like no matter what you do or what the outcome is, everything gets blamed on this “csa”. Same thing with the “kinks”. Who fucking cares if you have a kink? Why is having a kink a bad thing, and how can you even proove that being kinky us a “trauma response” in the first place? Its like the whole “csa makes kids gay” claim when homophobia was more normalized. Whats wrong with being gay? And how can you prove that you werent gay/had the kink before this “csa”. And how can you prove that you woundnt have turned out gay/with that kink wether you where “abused” or not? And why the fuck does it matter in the first place? Whats wrong with liking sex and whats wrong with being kinky and what’s wrong with being gay? If the only argument you have against “csa” is that, “it makes people like sex and makes them kinky” then that is not a convincing argument.

And the thing about csa industry, is it is a MORAL PANIC, a HYSTERIA. Its not as simple as “dont touch kids”. Obviously despite how unfair this rule is, most of us would rather not go to prison or drag our yf through the stressful criminal court process, so we avoid doing that. But the “lovely” thing about antis and “csa” and moral panics in general is that they just get to redifine what counts as “csa” when there isnt enough drama or hysteria. If there arent enough “predators” and “victims” from adult child sexual contact, they will just make the defintion broader so theres more “predators” and “victims”. The prison census too low? Just pass more laws to make more things child sex crimes. Not enough “victims” shuffled of to therapy? Just redifine what counts as csa so more and more children will be victims and make what counts as trauma more broad so more will be considered “traumatized”. Its like a fucking virus, a social virus.

Espcially on tiktok. Ive seen tiktoks of a father being “cancelled” for “csa” ing his toddler daughter because his hand was too close to her butt when he picked her up, because apparently, not telepathcially levitating your daughter as a stinky dirty male makes you an evil sex predator. Ive seen men get the cops called on them for being affectionate with their daughters, their LITERAL CHILDREN in public. Ive seen a tiktok of a woman who works at a hotel automatically denying any man who comes in with a girl who seems underaged, so if you are a single father with your daughter, go fuck yourself ig. Ive seen 17 year olds get called “groomers” for having 15 year old girlfriends. Mind you, that is a junior and a sophmore. Ive seen middle aged men get called “groomers” and “predators” for dating women in their TWENTIES, and not even early twenties specifically, but even pushing 30. Ive seen teenagers claim to be “traumatized” and “csa/grooming victims” from reading fanfic, fucking FANFIC. How fucking privileged do you have to be where reading a FUCKING FANFICTION is what you consider a form of “abuse” and “trauma”? “Oh one time I accidentally searched up a fanfic site notorious for dead dove fanfiction and accidentally clicked on a a clearly labeled dead dove fic and accidentally read all 7 pages of the fic on complete accident of a 16 year old shoving a dildo up his ass and it groomed me into getting a throbbing boner, that fanfiction writer literally groomed my by posting her problematic fanfiction and im literally a victim and ill never recover “ OR MAYBE YOU JUST LIKED THE FUCKING FANFICTION AND THOUGHT IT WAS HOT?!? Teenagers the exact same age getting put on the sex offender regristry and locked up for “mutually child sexually abusing each other”. Nation wide anti censorship bills that steal your personal information in places like England to prevent minors from seeing porn, because even some 16 year old watching big booty MILF porn on pornhub is considered a form of “csa” that “traumatizes” them.

And of course, since this is a moral panic and it is easier to blame the evil monsterous scape goat for your problems instead of acceptimg that maybe, just MAYBE, society might be wrong. “csa” “victims” and there supporters fucking milk it. You get sympathy and attention and even money and get put on a pedastel where you can blame any and all of your problems on “csa” and being a “victim”. You have a piss kink? Well your not a perverted kinkster, its the “csa”. Your gay? Its not your fault, its the “csa”. You cum too fast when getting head? Its because of the “csa”. You like for your partner to shove her feet in your face while whipping you while you wear a fursuit? its not because your a kinky little freak, its because of the “csa”. Any sexual deviancy you possess that would normally get you harassed to the brink of suicide by the same antis who claim to “care” about you can be defended with the “victim” trump card, at least temporarily. Even outside of bed, any and all your problems can be blamed on that evil pedo who sucked your dick 20 years ago. Skin cancer? Its because of csa. Global warming? Those damn pdfs am I right? Stubbed your toe? Its because of csa. Its too hot to wear your favorite cardigan? Its because of that pedophile who sucked your dick 20 years ago obviously. Lazy at work? Its because of your trauma. Bad at parking straight? Its because of your trauma and those evil nasty pedophiles.

Literally any and everything negative in your life are no longer a normal part of the human expierence, but because of those evil pedos plotting/who plotted against you and your “tRaUmA”. You no longer have to be held accountable for any of your actions and can just blame all your problems on that one guy 20 years ago, and no one will call you out on your bullshit because that would be “victim blaming”. Anything bad or not immediately positive that has or will happen to you or has happened to you gets redifined as a “symptom” of “trauma.” And no one, at least not antis, will stop to give it even a second thought. Sure, you have chronic asthma and have a crippling fear of spiders and prefer sleeping with socks and like pinneaple on your pizza because 17 years ago your uncle groped your ass. That makes complete sense, and not only does it make complete sense, but anyone who dares question the logic behind any of this shit or demand any logic in the first place is clearly an evil victim blamer.

Obviously “csa”is the root of all evil and we should blame any and all of our problems on “the pedos”, who somehow run all the governments and churches while simultaneously being gross fat neckbeards who live in their parents basement, because the enemy must be strong and weak.I wouldnt be suprised if in a couple years they start saying Hitler was a “csa” “victim” who murdered 6 million jews to cope with the crippling trauma of having his pee pee sucked as a kid. Fucking bullshit. Im so sick of this crap. Its like we never learn. One day its black people who are evil monsters and race mixing thats the root of all evil, then its gay people who are evil monsters and gay butt sex thats the root of all evil, or its random village women that are evil monsters and “witchcraft” thats the root of all evil, or communists that are evil monsters and communism thats the root of all evil.

But now we are enlightened and scientific people and since it is the modern day we are the most enlightned and scientiffic that society will ever be and we can get nothing wrong. We are above the silly bigoted hysteria of the past and we have become aware that it is actually durr pedos and kiddie dick sucking that causes and has caused every single possible problem that ever has happened or will happen ever. We have finally figured put that it is not gay butt sex, or snow bunnies, or commies, that have caused all the bad things ever, but pre teens flashing their itty bitty titties and the pervs that jork it to them that have caused literally any and every single bad thing to ever happen in humanity ever. And dont you DARE compare our bullshit to the bullshit we had a couple decades ago and the bullshit we had a couple decades before that and the bullshit before that because this time our modern day bullshit is TOTALLY VALID and TOTALLY DIFFERENT and blaming a random minority group(pedos only make up 1-3% of the population, about as much as red heads, not 50% as femminazis would have you believe, yet despite making up 2% of the worlds population, we have caused 100% of all the worlds problems from the black plague to excessive ass hair, which we previously thought was due to homosexuality) for all of your problems and advocating for mass genocide and torture will never EVER be the wrong answer, we just have to find the right group to do it towards.

“Oh little suzie broke out into sobs when you handed her abusers decapitated bloody head to her on a stick? Shes clearly crying tears of joy at seeing that evil monster who sucked her titties pay for his sins. And if she claims that you people make her fucking sick it is clearly just leftover grooming mindcontrol magic and her pain is just leftover trauma from the titty sucking, OBVIOUSLY. But dont worry, in a few years we will force her to conform to our narrative, that she is a ruined good for nothing broken empty shell that might as well keel over and die because her underaged virginity and sexual purity was all she was good for-sorry “innocence” was all she was good for, and if she doesnt have that anymore, shes RUINED , her life is fucking over and she would be better off dead because she spread her legs that one time, those damn pedos, the only punishment that can make up for the crime of her loosing her virginity…is DEATH.” Antis will say shit like this with a straight face then claim that WE are the ones “fetishizing” innocence. But last time I checked, we arent the ones willing to commit literal fucking murder and advocating for fucking genocide over some girl loosing her virginity?? Shit honestly in alot of ways people in 2025 might be more puritanical and hysterical about sex then people in the fucking victorian age. People in the 2020s are just able to hide it better, instead of blaming their hatred of sexuality and fetish for virgnity on christianity and sin, they blame it on “tRaUmA”.

I'm 100% with you bro. I'm at the point where I'm starting to not be mad anymore about this hysteria and bigotry and instead, find it hilarious. I find it hilarious because of the mere stupidity of people. So stupid it makes my brain hurt. As for the whole hypersexuality thing, people using that as an argument against minor/adult relationships is a very bad argument simply because hypersexuality is something genetic and thus wouldn't matter if they had sex with another person or did self-pleasure. If they want to use that dumb argument, then by that logic I guess the average kid who masturbates from a young age (single digits) is going to turn hypersexual or a teen or pre-teen watching porn and masturbating is going to turn hypersexual. It's literally a stupid argument. And as a final note, for all of the csa workers, and including you Finkelhore, who try to make someone feel and think they were abused from the positive experiences they had, you are secondhand predators that will face the wrath of the creator on judgement day. It is sickening on what those bastards do to try to keep some narrative alive.

I don’t know exactly which country it was, but once I read a comment from a woman who justified to the authorities having a hard drive full of Skyrim mods for having sex with werewolves by saying it was a way to exorcize her childhood trauma. Probably because in that country such material was considered zoophilic, or something like that.

I also read another comment that was paradoxically funny, where a fan of a fanfiction author justified what their favorite writer created by attributing it to childhood trauma. This kind of pop-psychology thinking is so widespread that people even use it to defend their own interests.

And then, if we were to take that seriously, it would mean that everyone is traumatized, no one escapes trauma. As much as a single perversion might be considered rare, non-conventional sexuality belongs to everyone. Every individual has their own preferences, their fetishes, their perversions, and they can easily manifest before puberty. My own preferences, for example, clearly emerged before puberty.

To me, it’s simply a matter of sexophobia, which I can accept coming from a religious political stance, but not when it comes from people making arguments like “No, homosexuality doesn’t hurt anyone, so […]”, because that’s pure hypocrisy. Especially considering that when homosexuality was criminalized, it was associated with disease. It’s all or nothing: either we all castrate ourselves, or there has to be real sexual liberalization. It can be summed up as: everyone minds their own business.

I believe that sometimes the world could use a healthy dose of carefree indifference, a genuine disregard for what others do, instead of constantly moralizing and rationalizing according to one’s own narrative due to an inability to see things from perspectives other than one’s own.

THIS !!

I'm in the art community on TikTok and YouTube, and HOLY SHIT, the number of crybabies in that community is genuinely insane. I've seen people get called groomers for talking to people like three years younger than them (think 18 and 15), and everyone in that damn community freaks out if a minor sees porn. DRAWN porn. Like OH MY GOD, get a backbone!! I swear, most instances of "grooming" I've seen was just and older person being nice to a younger person. That's all.

I seriously don't know why, but people just want to take away a child's ability to desire sex, even though most children start getting curious about it as young as like 11. It's like they're trying to re-wire their biology or some shit, even though it's proven fact that minors DO HAVE libidos... It's seriously some 1984 shit But yeah, I was a total sex freak when I was 12. I loved watching porn and masturbating, and I had a specific YouTuber whom I had many sexual fantasies about, even though he was ten years older than me. I know this is probably TMI, but I wanted that man so much I literally masturbated to his videos... of Roblox gameplay. And people would try to say that I actually DIDN'T want to have sex with him because of my age

But yeah, I feel like children who've had (consensual!) encounters with adults only say they're traumatized because society constantly beats it into them that they were groomed by said adults. If adult-on-minor relationships weren't so damn taboo, I'm pretty sure those same kids wouldn't be walking around calling themselves traumatized.

blueturtle_07 wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 8:16 pm THIS !!

I'm in the art community on TikTok and YouTube, and HOLY SHIT, the number of crybabies in that community is genuinely insane. I've seen people get called groomers for talking to people like three years younger than them (think 18 and 15), and everyone in that damn community freaks out if a minor sees porn. DRAWN porn. Like OH MY GOD, get a backbone!! I swear, most instances of "grooming" I've seen was just and older person being nice to a younger person. That's all.

I seriously don't know why, but people just want to take away a child's ability to desire sex, even though most children start getting curious about it as young as like 11. It's like they're trying to re-wire their biology or some shit, even though it's proven fact that minors DO HAVE libidos... It's seriously some 1984 shit But yeah, I was a total sex freak when I was 12. I loved watching porn and masturbating, and I had a specific YouTuber whom I had many sexual fantasies about, even though he was ten years older than me. I know this is probably TMI, but I wanted that man so much I literally masturbated to his videos... of Roblox gameplay. And people would try to say that I actually DIDN'T want to have sex with him because of my age

But yeah, I feel like children who've had (consensual!) encounters with adults only say they're traumatized because society constantly beats it into them that they were groomed by said adults. If adult-on-minor relationships weren't so damn taboo, I'm pretty sure those same kids wouldn't be walking around calling themselves traumatized.

Oh brother tell me about it. Tiktok is a CESSPOOL. Ive unironically seen a video of a 15 year old asking if her 17 year old boyfriend was a predator. And all the comments were like “if you have to ask then yes” “what could a 17 year old possibly have in common with a 15 year old” “oh baby your a victim…once you get to that age you will see and look at 15 year olds as literal babies” “why would a 17 year old want to be with someone that young…” “I was a victim of that same age gap, from personal expierence…run” and “two years is such a big difference at that age, you mature so rapidly, the power dynamic is too large”. Let me repeat this, this was a SEVENTEEN year old, and a FIFTEEN year old. SEVENTEEN, and FIFTEEN. Literally a sophomore and a junior. They could literally be a year and a couple months apart.

On the beautful clock app, ive also seen a video of an anti posting a video to “warn” college freshman of predatory 20 year olds who will try to “groom” them. The video had a text saying something like “18 year old freshman get groomed by 21 year old seniors, watch out” with the song “put me in a movie” by lana del ray playing in the background. Yknow, the song that goes “come on I know you like, little girls”. Because apperantly being 21 and liking 18 year olds means you like little girls?!? And all the comments were like “im 20 and I could never even date someone 19, im almost old enough to drink and they arent even two decades yet, if your age starts with a 2 you shouldnt date anyone whos ages start with a 1.” WHAT?!?!???? BITCH THATS ONE YEAR?!?! Are you deadazz?!? And I was thinking to myself “this HAS to be ragebait, this entire video has to be a shitpost and no one would actually believe this retarted bullshit.” But no, they were 100% deadass, yapping about how drastic the change between 18 and 21 is and how much your brain devlops and the power dynamic between a freshman and a senior and blah blah blah blah.

Ive also unironically seen people on tiktok say that 18 and 17 is grooming, which makes sense, since 19 and 20 is also apperantly grooming?? Ive just recently seen a couple where the woman was in her late 20s and the man was in his 80s and they were posting about being a #agegapcouple and all the comments were like. “Oh honey hes grooming you, your just a child, he is a pedo and would date minors if he could” SHES PUSHING 30 ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!??! And there were some comments calling her a greedy gold digger who was grooming him for his money, and the funniest comment I saw was a response saying something like “being a goldigger isnt an excuse to manipulate his pedophillic urges against him” OH SO NOW HES A THE VICTIM AND IS AN INNOCENT PEDOPHILE GETTING HIS “URGES” MANIPULATED AGAINST HIM BY A GOLDDIGGER?!?. Keep in mind that the “pedophile” in question is dating a grown ass woman whos almost 30. If hes a dirty old pedo grooming her for her hot 20 something year old body, and shes an evil golddigger grooming him and manipulating his “pedophillic” urges for money, aint that just a symbiotic relationship? If they are both “mutually grooming” each other, aint that just dating? Like wtf. If they are both predators and they are both victims of each other, who tf cares? So what? He gets to bust his old man nut inside her innocent little 27 year old child ass and she gets her bills paid, how does that hurt anyone? If it works for them, whats with all this judgemental virtue signaling?? And have we ever considered that they genuinely just love and care for each other?why havent we considered that as a possibility?? Bruh tiktok is fucking hilarous but it is disturbing once you realize that it isnt ragebait and gen alpha/zoomers/millenials genuinely think this way and have destroyed lives over this retardness

Yes, I couldn't agree with you more.
I hate trauma culture, and knowing that there are people who deny its existence makes my blood boil. I have teenage friends, and you can imagine how they feel about these issues. For them, the fact that I question the effectiveness and accuracy of therapeutic methods and therapy itself is brainwashing on the part of my parents, who are from a different generation and who, for whatever reason, are evil and insensitive.

I do believe that our tastes and personalities are related to our childhood. Well, I don't believe it, I know it. I also believe that your mom's friend sucking your nipples when you were a little girl will have an effect on you, but that effect doesn't have to be negative.
I think it's beautiful, I think it's natural, and I even think it's necessary.

G@yWad69 wrote: Sat Nov 08, 2025 6:23 pm

blueturtle_07 wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 8:16 pm THIS !!

I'm in the art community on TikTok and YouTube, and HOLY SHIT, the number of crybabies in that community is genuinely insane. I've seen people get called groomers for talking to people like three years younger than them (think 18 and 15), and everyone in that damn community freaks out if a minor sees porn. DRAWN porn. Like OH MY GOD, get a backbone!! I swear, most instances of "grooming" I've seen was just and older person being nice to a younger person. That's all.

I seriously don't know why, but people just want to take away a child's ability to desire sex, even though most children start getting curious about it as young as like 11. It's like they're trying to re-wire their biology or some shit, even though it's proven fact that minors DO HAVE libidos... It's seriously some 1984 shit But yeah, I was a total sex freak when I was 12. I loved watching porn and masturbating, and I had a specific YouTuber whom I had many sexual fantasies about, even though he was ten years older than me. I know this is probably TMI, but I wanted that man so much I literally masturbated to his videos... of Roblox gameplay. And people would try to say that I actually DIDN'T want to have sex with him because of my age

But yeah, I feel like children who've had (consensual!) encounters with adults only say they're traumatized because society constantly beats it into them that they were groomed by said adults. If adult-on-minor relationships weren't so damn taboo, I'm pretty sure those same kids wouldn't be walking around calling themselves traumatized.

Oh brother tell me about it. Tiktok is a CESSPOOL. Ive unironically seen a video of a 15 year old asking if her 17 year old boyfriend was a predator. And all the comments were like “if you have to ask then yes” “what could a 17 year old possibly have in common with a 15 year old” “oh baby your a victim…once you get to that age you will see and look at 15 year olds as literal babies” “why would a 17 year old want to be with someone that young…” “I was a victim of that same age gap, from personal expierence…run” and “two years is such a big difference at that age, you mature so rapidly, the power dynamic is too large”. Let me repeat this, this was a SEVENTEEN year old, and a FIFTEEN year old. SEVENTEEN, and FIFTEEN. Literally a sophomore and a junior. They could literally be a year and a couple months apart.

On the beautful clock app, ive also seen a video of an anti posting a video to “warn” college freshman of predatory 20 year olds who will try to “groom” them. The video had a text saying something like “18 year old freshman get groomed by 21 year old seniors, watch out” with the song “put me in a movie” by lana del ray playing in the background. Yknow, the song that goes “come on I know you like, little girls”. Because apperantly being 21 and liking 18 year olds means you like little girls?!? And all the comments were like “im 20 and I could never even date someone 19, im almost old enough to drink and they arent even two decades yet, if your age starts with a 2 you shouldnt date anyone whos ages start with a 1.” WHAT?!?!???? BITCH THATS ONE YEAR?!?! Are you deadazz?!? And I was thinking to myself “this HAS to be ragebait, this entire video has to be a shitpost and no one would actually believe this retarted bullshit.” But no, they were 100% deadass, yapping about how drastic the change between 18 and 21 is and how much your brain devlops and the power dynamic between a freshman and a senior and blah blah blah blah.

Ive also unironically seen people on tiktok say that 18 and 17 is grooming, which makes sense, since 19 and 20 is also apperantly grooming?? Ive just recently seen a couple where the woman was in her late 20s and the man was in his 80s and they were posting about being a #agegapcouple and all the comments were like. “Oh honey hes grooming you, your just a child, he is a pedo and would date minors if he could” SHES PUSHING 30 ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!??! And there were some comments calling her a greedy gold digger who was grooming him for his money, and the funniest comment I saw was a response saying something like “being a goldigger isnt an excuse to manipulate his pedophillic urges against him” OH SO NOW HES A THE VICTIM AND IS AN INNOCENT PEDOPHILE GETTING HIS “URGES” MANIPULATED AGAINST HIM BY A GOLDDIGGER?!?. Keep in mind that the “pedophile” in question is dating a grown ass woman whos almost 30. If hes a dirty old pedo grooming her for her hot 20 something year old body, and shes an evil golddigger grooming him and manipulating his “pedophillic” urges for money, aint that just a symbiotic relationship? If they are both “mutually grooming” each other, aint that just dating? Like wtf. If they are both predators and they are both victims of each other, who tf cares? So what? He gets to bust his old man nut inside her innocent little 27 year old child ass and she gets her bills paid, how does that hurt anyone? If it works for them, whats with all this judgemental virtue signaling?? And have we ever considered that they genuinely just love and care for each other?why havent we considered that as a possibility?? Bruh tiktok is fucking hilarous but it is disturbing once you realize that it isnt ragebait and gen alpha/zoomers/millenials genuinely think this way and have destroyed lives over this retardness

Oh my god, society is COOKED if a lot of people are seriously accusing adults of grooming... other adults. And about that 27 year old; People fully mature and at 25, so she's LITERALLY old enough to decide to be in a relationship with him by both legal and normie moral standards. Sure, a 60-year age gap is a little insane (yeah, I know I'm not one to talk when it comes to crazy age gaps lmao), but what ever happened to the societal saying of "If they're both consenting adults and not hurting anyone, who cares?" Along with the other examples you listed, I'm just starting to think that people WANT something to bitch about just to collect that victim card.

Honestly, if people are gonna call me a groomer for pursuing someone who is 17 when I, myself, am 18, then I might as well just go all the way and pursue the precious little boy I actually want... For legal reasons, I likely won't be doing that, but I think my point still stands. People are just so moronic that they only think about what the law says about age, seldom considering that it's literally a social construct to indicate where someone is growth-wise. I could be wrong, but I don't think there's any scientific breakthrough or solid evidence that proves children truly cannot consent if said children know what sex is, plus the societal and emotional implications surrounding it. I guess since most people wouldn't want to get intimate with children, it'd be too uncomfortable to admit that they have no reason as to why one should believe a child who understands what sex is cannot consent to a sexual encounter with an adult. Of course, this point will never be argued with anything other than "You're a predator!!11!!1"

But ye, a lot of people are just so obsessed with victim culture that they make everything a problem. Just a few years ago, 17 and 15 would've been perfectly acceptable, but since TikTok is an app where the biggest dumbasses of the world gather to amplify their voices and spread their bs to everyone else, the list of what's considered "acceptable" by normie (non-MAP) standards is getting shorter and shorter, until dating someone just a few months older than yourself will qualify you as a grooming victim. I mean, shit, back in the 1960's, my grandpa was dating my grandma when she was 14 and he was 19, and there was no pushback in those times! Obviously, progression is a good thing when it comes to civil rights and stuff, but there is always one saying to consider when re-defining the norm: If it isn't broken, don't fix it

blueturtle_07 wrote: Mon Nov 10, 2025 6:06 am

G@yWad69 wrote: Sat Nov 08, 2025 6:23 pm

blueturtle_07 wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 8:16 pm THIS !!

I'm in the art community on TikTok and YouTube, and HOLY SHIT, the number of crybabies in that community is genuinely insane. I've seen people get called groomers for talking to people like three years younger than them (think 18 and 15), and everyone in that damn community freaks out if a minor sees porn. DRAWN porn. Like OH MY GOD, get a backbone!! I swear, most instances of "grooming" I've seen was just and older person being nice to a younger person. That's all.

I seriously don't know why, but people just want to take away a child's ability to desire sex, even though most children start getting curious about it as young as like 11. It's like they're trying to re-wire their biology or some shit, even though it's proven fact that minors DO HAVE libidos... It's seriously some 1984 shit But yeah, I was a total sex freak when I was 12. I loved watching porn and masturbating, and I had a specific YouTuber whom I had many sexual fantasies about, even though he was ten years older than me. I know this is probably TMI, but I wanted that man so much I literally masturbated to his videos... of Roblox gameplay. And people would try to say that I actually DIDN'T want to have sex with him because of my age

But yeah, I feel like children who've had (consensual!) encounters with adults only say they're traumatized because society constantly beats it into them that they were groomed by said adults. If adult-on-minor relationships weren't so damn taboo, I'm pretty sure those same kids wouldn't be walking around calling themselves traumatized.

Oh brother tell me about it. Tiktok is a CESSPOOL. Ive unironically seen a video of a 15 year old asking if her 17 year old boyfriend was a predator. And all the comments were like “if you have to ask then yes” “what could a 17 year old possibly have in common with a 15 year old” “oh baby your a victim…once you get to that age you will see and look at 15 year olds as literal babies” “why would a 17 year old want to be with someone that young…” “I was a victim of that same age gap, from personal expierence…run” and “two years is such a big difference at that age, you mature so rapidly, the power dynamic is too large”. Let me repeat this, this was a SEVENTEEN year old, and a FIFTEEN year old. SEVENTEEN, and FIFTEEN. Literally a sophomore and a junior. They could literally be a year and a couple months apart.

On the beautful clock app, ive also seen a video of an anti posting a video to “warn” college freshman of predatory 20 year olds who will try to “groom” them. The video had a text saying something like “18 year old freshman get groomed by 21 year old seniors, watch out” with the song “put me in a movie” by lana del ray playing in the background. Yknow, the song that goes “come on I know you like, little girls”. Because apperantly being 21 and liking 18 year olds means you like little girls?!? And all the comments were like “im 20 and I could never even date someone 19, im almost old enough to drink and they arent even two decades yet, if your age starts with a 2 you shouldnt date anyone whos ages start with a 1.” WHAT?!?!???? BITCH THATS ONE YEAR?!?! Are you deadazz?!? And I was thinking to myself “this HAS to be ragebait, this entire video has to be a shitpost and no one would actually believe this retarted bullshit.” But no, they were 100% deadass, yapping about how drastic the change between 18 and 21 is and how much your brain devlops and the power dynamic between a freshman and a senior and blah blah blah blah.

Ive also unironically seen people on tiktok say that 18 and 17 is grooming, which makes sense, since 19 and 20 is also apperantly grooming?? Ive just recently seen a couple where the woman was in her late 20s and the man was in his 80s and they were posting about being a #agegapcouple and all the comments were like. “Oh honey hes grooming you, your just a child, he is a pedo and would date minors if he could” SHES PUSHING 30 ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!??! And there were some comments calling her a greedy gold digger who was grooming him for his money, and the funniest comment I saw was a response saying something like “being a goldigger isnt an excuse to manipulate his pedophillic urges against him” OH SO NOW HES A THE VICTIM AND IS AN INNOCENT PEDOPHILE GETTING HIS “URGES” MANIPULATED AGAINST HIM BY A GOLDDIGGER?!?. Keep in mind that the “pedophile” in question is dating a grown ass woman whos almost 30. If hes a dirty old pedo grooming her for her hot 20 something year old body, and shes an evil golddigger grooming him and manipulating his “pedophillic” urges for money, aint that just a symbiotic relationship? If they are both “mutually grooming” each other, aint that just dating? Like wtf. If they are both predators and they are both victims of each other, who tf cares? So what? He gets to bust his old man nut inside her innocent little 27 year old child ass and she gets her bills paid, how does that hurt anyone? If it works for them, whats with all this judgemental virtue signaling?? And have we ever considered that they genuinely just love and care for each other?why havent we considered that as a possibility?? Bruh tiktok is fucking hilarous but it is disturbing once you realize that it isnt ragebait and gen alpha/zoomers/millenials genuinely think this way and have destroyed lives over this retardness

Oh my god, society is COOKED if a lot of people are seriously accusing adults of grooming... other adults. And about that 27 year old; People fully mature and at 25, so she's LITERALLY old enough to decide to be in a relationship with him by both legal and normie moral standards. Sure, a 60-year age gap is a little insane (yeah, I know I'm not one to talk when it comes to crazy age gaps lmao), but what ever happened to the societal saying of "If they're both consenting adults and not hurting anyone, who cares?" Along with the other examples you listed, I'm just starting to think that people WANT something to bitch about just to collect that victim card.

Honestly, if people are gonna call me a groomer for pursuing someone who is 17 when I, myself, am 18, then I might as well just go all the way and pursue the precious little boy I actually want... For legal reasons, I likely won't be doing that, but I think my point still stands. People are just so moronic that they only think about what the law says about age, seldom considering that it's literally a social construct to indicate where someone is growth-wise. I could be wrong, but I don't think there's any scientific breakthrough or solid evidence that proves children truly cannot consent if said children know what sex is, plus the societal and emotional implications surrounding it. I guess since most people wouldn't want to get intimate with children, it'd be too uncomfortable to admit that they have no reason as to why one should believe a child who understands what sex is cannot consent to a sexual encounter with an adult. Of course, this point will never be argued with anything other than "You're a predator!!11!!1"

But ye, a lot of people are just so obsessed with victim culture that they make everything a problem. Just a few years ago, 17 and 15 would've been perfectly acceptable, but since TikTok is an app where the biggest dumbasses of the world gather to amplify their voices and spread their bs to everyone else, the list of what's considered "acceptable" by normie (non-MAP) standards is getting shorter and shorter, until dating someone just a few months older than yourself will qualify you as a grooming victim. I mean, shit, back in the 1960's, my grandpa was dating my grandma when she was 14 and he was 19, and there was no pushback in those times! Obviously, progression is a good thing when it comes to civil rights and stuff, but there is always one saying to consider when re-defining the norm: If it isn't broken, don't fix it

“ I could be wrong, but I don't think there's any scientific breakthrough or solid evidence that proves children truly cannot consent if said children know what sex is, plus the societal and emotional implications surrounding it.”

Antis cant even fucking define consent. If you ask an anti what consent is, then give an example of a minor being able to consent based on the antis own definition, the anti will simply change the definition of consent. And then you will provide an example of a minor being able to consent based on the antis new definition, and the anti will simply change the definition or say it “doesnt really count”. And when you ask the anti why said consent “doesnt really count”, the logic will be circular, no actual reasoning other than “because we said so”.

“Minors cant consent.” Why cant minors consent? “Because their minors.” What about being a minor makes them not able to consent? “Because they cant.” Why cant they? “Because their minors.” Can you even define consent and explain to me how minors fail to meet that definition of consent? “No.” So what specifically about being a minor makes it so that they cant consent, why cant they consent? “Because.”

This dumbass thought terminating retarted ass “logic” is the same “logic” they use/are using to justify murdering and torturing and harassing and insulting and imprisoning MAPs. There is no godamn reason for any of this shit other than “because”. Thats why I dont bother with the consent argument anymore because its a thought terminating red herring. “Consent” is a magical special property that only exists in relationships that your society collectively socially or legally approves of, if it is not socially or legally acceptable, or personally disturbs you, its non consenual, if you can tolerate it or it is legally permissible, it is consenual.

“Consent” has jack shit to do with how willing or informed both sexual partners are and everything to do with if it is socially or legally accepted. Consent isnt about if both parties agree to the sexual encounter, its about if the rest of society agrees to it. Kids “cant consent”, not because they cant agree to sex, but because antis and the goverment dont agree to it. Its a thought terminating red herring.

Consent means just as much as scrupledorp. What is scrupledorp? Scrupledorp is a new phrase I invented that defines healthy relationships, straight sex between two adults of the opposite sex born in the exact same year of the exact month in the missonary position after marrige for procreation has scrupledorp, and any sexual relationship outside of that or makes me too uncomfortable is nonscrupledorpy and therefore abuse and should therefore be illegal and stay illegal. Healthy romantic relationships are straight couples of the opposite sex born the exact same year of the exact same month, and any romantic relationship outside of that or that makes me too uncomfortable in general is broomsming and therefore abuse and isnt valid. That sounds fucking stupid right? So why do antis pretend like that makes sense when it comes to their arbritrary ass, constantly changing definition of consent and grooming?

“Consent” is the trump card for antis because it has no set definition and can mean whatever the fuck they want it to mean and change the definition when its convenient. You cant win an argument if the definition of the words your oppenent uses is constantly changing and can be bent to their will. Thats why whenever I argue with antis, instead of arguing why kids can consent, I ask them to define what consent means, because 9/10 they cant even fucking define it without giving examples of ways kids CAN consent without falling into the circular argument of “they cant consent because they cant”.

“But ye, a lot of people are just so obsessed with victim culture that they make everything a problem.”

The funniest and most frustrating thing about victim culture is that everything related to sexuality when it comes to minors makes minors “victims” according to antis, ans anything but a completely asexual childhood from 0-18 makes you either a victim of csa, cocsa, or grooming. But heres the thing though, minors are INHERENTLY sexual, even literal fucking fetuses purposefully masturbate to orgasm in the womb and literal infants judge adults based on their attractiveness. Sexuality isnt an “adult” thing, its a “human” thing.

So if minors “cant consent”, and non consent is sexual abuse, and literally anything and everything that minors particpate in or view, no matter how willing on the minors behalf or non harmful, is a form of csa or cocsa or grooming, then literally every single person on planet earth is a “victim”. All 8 billion of us. Sexuality is a part of being human and human nature and even completely removing and isolating minors from the rest of society would still leave minors “victims” of not only their own sexuality but also the sexuality of the minors around them. Fucking existing as a minor inherently makes you a victim, of yourself, since by anti logic, you cant even consent to your own natural and inborn sexuality and have to be “protected” from it by retard-sorry, antis, lest your brain fucking explode from all the “trauma”, which is the dumbest fucking shit ive ever heard, but antis fully believe it. I used to think I wasnt a victim of “grooming” or “csa”, but now I realize, I AM victim, and so are you, and literally everyone else on this forum and every other homo sapien member of planet earth. Sexuality is a part of being a child/teen, and even if antis went so batshit that they forced all minors to live on a seperate island from adults to protect from “pedos” and castrated and female genital mutilated all infants from borth to prevent them from having a sex drive or enjoying sexual pleasure, the minors would STILL be victims of “child sexual abuse” from themselves and others, since being sexual is being a human. Shit, even asexuals report having kinks and having sex drives and enjoying sexuality to a degree, so even literal asexuals are STILL SEXUAL.

Ask any “csa” “victim”(which is technically everyone since no one escapes childhood without any form of sexuality involved, and since all sexuality as a minor is by default non consenual which is by default abuse, everyone is a csa or grooming victim, by “csa” victim I mean people acrually willing to take on that label), what the worst part of their “trauma” symptoms entail, or what their “trauma” symptoms are, the vast majority of them, specifically the ones who werent forced into anything or suffered any physical pain and were willing participants, will say “it is/was the guilt” “it is/was the shame” “I feel guilty/ashamed because it was enjoyable”. If the worst part of this so called “abuse” is that it is enjoyable, and it involves no cruelty or violence, and the “victim” actively particpates in/seeks out said “abuse”, how the fuck is it even abuse in the first place????!! If the only/main problem “csa” “victims” are having as a result of their “abuse” is that their sexual experience is made our to be something shameful instead of a positive encounter or even just neutural, then if only for the sake of these “victims”, why dont we stop treating childhood sexual encounters and childhood sexuality as something that is shameful/negative?!? Thats what baffles me the most and is one of the clearest signs that this is just a hsyteria and that a minor won't suffer blowjob trauma unless society shames him and his partner for their sexuality.

There are so many “facts” abour “csa” that make it clear to me that it is a bullshit concept outisde of actual forced sexual contact

1.The fact that different countries, hell different states, have different ages of consent, that different time periods have different ages of consent in those same places, that some countries dont even have an age of consent, so no one can even fucking agree on what “consent” is or when minors magically possess this special property, yet im supposed to belive that a 17 year old is a csa victim in California who will suffer life long trauma if they have sex with an adult in their state, but if they move to Germany, where the aoc is 14, they will be perfectly fine and suffer no negative consequences??

2.That most of the “trauma” “victims” report is that they feel ashamed that they DONT have trauma and actually enjoyed their expiernce so they dont think they count as “real victims”(because they arent?!?). Aside from being ashamed from not having trauma, they also report “devloping fetishes”(the majority of the human population has at least one fetish or paraphillia, but of course since everyone is a victim everything must be a pathological trauma response), or being “innapropriately sexual”(the shit they define as “innapropriately sexual” is just liking sex or being kinky, which they attribute to their “trauma” instead of the fact that they are a human being)

3.The fact that this so called “life ruining crippling trauma” pretty much only exists in female “victims”. Antis are now trying to paint male minors as “victims” in the same way that they paint female minors, but unfortunately for them, male minors arent impacted by the social shame like female minors are and therefore arent “perfect victims”

4.That 18 is a magical special number and blowjobs and handjobs and sex in general are highly complex and intellectual and mature procedures(despite the fact that even literal fucking rats in bugs can have enjoyable sex and do so safely) and that even a day before midnight of your 18th birthday, blowjobs are far too intellectual and sophisticated and complicated for your innocent child brain to handle without severe deadly trauma, but on midnight of your 18th birthday, like literal magic, in the span of seconds, you will suddenly be able to comprehend the sophsiticated and highly complex and mature procedure of getting head and eating ass, something that would cause you crippling and deadly trauma and be impossible to consent to or comprehend even mere hours before.

5. That a boy getting his dick sucked by a hot MILF would somehow give him trauma?!?

6. That adult always have a strong power dynamic over children, even when teenage boys are physically stronger than adult women, or underaged girls are richer than poor adult men, or the minor has more sexual expiernces and knowledge than a sheltered virgin adult, and the child has the power to get the adult incarcerated for decades or even murdered at the hands of violent mobs/vigillantes. Even when the adult has power over a child, children are still rebellious and dont listen to or respect adult authority, but antis will have you believe that children and teens are blind obedient slaves that always listen to adults and obey them and never voice their disagrement, so I guess all my childhood memories of me and my peers being little shits who didnt give a shit about the “power” adults had over us and still avoided listining to them and rebelled or threw tantrums are just vivid hallucinations. And even when adults do have clear power over kids, which they dont always have, espcially not when it comes to sex where the child has the power to get you sent to prison for decades, power is only a bad thing when its used negatively, but power can be used positively to your partner's benefit. Ans why do antis only have a problem with adult power over kids when it comes to sex? But have no problem with adults having power over kids or even encourage it with literally everything else in a kids life

7. That sex has magical and special and complex and mature properties to the point where it has to be seperated from everything else in our life and avoided in minors entirely? Even when it comes to preganncy and STDs, abortions and birth control and plan b and condoms and testing centers and medicine exist, and pregnancy is only a problem for pubscent and post pubscent minors, not prepubsecenr minors. And plenty of forms of “sex” cant even lead to pregnancy or STDs, like handjobs or frotting or anything gay tbh or dry humping or breast fondling

8. That children cant give “informed” “consent” but informing kids so that they wont be “abused” is a form of abuse????(grooming)

9. That the appropriate response when it comes to children who are victims of physical or emotional abuse is to encourage them to move on and not dwell on their expierneces or use their expiernece as an excuse to be violent or cruel and that they still have a life and can move on and be happy, but the appropriate repsonse to “csa” “victims” is “OMG YOUR LIFE IS FUCKING OVER CHILD MOLESTATION IS A FATE WORSE THAN DEATH ITSELF YOUR CHILDHOOD IS LITERALLY OVER YOU WILL SUFFER FORVER YOU WILL NEVER RECOVER YOUR INNOCENCE IS DESTROYED YOU WILL WANT TO KILL YOURSELF PERMANTLY 24/7 AND IF YOU DONT ITS BECAUSE OF YOUR GROOMING SND YOU SHOULD MURDER AND TORTURE YOUR ABUSER AND IF YOU DONT WANT TO MURDER AND TORTURE HIM WE WILL DO IT FOR YOU AND THE ONLY REASON YOU DONT WANT TO MUTILATE HIS CORPSE IS BECAUSE YOUVE BEEN GROOMED YOUR BASICALLY A WALKING CORPSE YOUR LIFE IS OVER YOU WILL SUFFER ETERNALLY IN LIVING HELL EVERY BAD THING YOU EXPIERNCE IS A TRAUMA RESPONSE I WOULD RATHER MY KID BE DEAD THAN BE MOLESTED YOU SHOULD BE FUCKING DEAD OMFG”

10. That the approprate response to all other forms of child absue or even child torture or murder is prison time, but the appropriate response to child sexual abuse is FUCKING DEATH?!?! That posessing PIM can get you an even longer sentence in prison than fucking murdering a child, literal pixels on a screen.

11.That not supporting the PIM industry by pirating PIM supports the PIM industry and telepathically abuses children, ans that a teen sexting a nude selfie is a form of self child sexual abuse that could even get her arrested if she is caught for self child sexual abuse?? And if someone sends you PIM without you asking and you accidently open it or thought the minor was an adult you can still go to prison.

12. That if a 17 year old that looks and acts 21 and illegally creates a fake id saying she is 21 and goes to a 21+ club and lies about being 21 to an actual 21 year old and sleeps with him she is somehow the victim and he is a predator that will go to prison(but according to antis people cant consent to being lied to during sex or consent to having drunk sex, so even though he was drunk and she was sober and he was lied to she is still somehow the victim and he the predator?!?)

Its hypocritical shit like this and the lack of an explanation from antis outside of “gross victim blaming pedo sybau” that made me go from anti C to pro C. The only good thing that comes from radical anti shit like “17 and 19 is grooming and child sexual abuse” or “28 and 50 is grooming and non consenual” is that it will make more people go from Anti C to Pro C as the hysteria gets so ridiculous they question the ridiculousness of why it exists or must be sustained in the first place. Eithee that or we go into a 1984 world where the population is constantly survilled by big brother to watch and prevent signs of grooming and csa and citizens get earsed for dating anyone more than 3 motnhs younger than them. Which hopefully wont happen. AMSC has been legal and socially accepted for most of human history and even in the modern day thwir are countries without an aoc, but 1984 bullshit will hopefully never happen which would require to the hysteria to dissapear or at least regress/stagnate, but idk the future so I can only hope