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No, Pederasty is not the last seat on the "innate capacity" bus

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2026 1:35 am
by Jim Burton
https://www.map-union.org/perspectives/ ... e-capacity
Last week, I found and shared an article by Scott Yenor for First Things, a long-running Christian-Conservative journal out of America. Yenor is a Lutheran; he is also a member of a “secretive, men-only Christian Nationalist organization”, yet much of his retelling of gay history and respectability politics was surprisingly agreeable and uncannily accurate. It was almost as if the married father of five had been a fly on the wall, during this entire episode of militant faggotry. Go figure.

There was something, however, that Yenor clearly got wrong, or perhaps even intentionally misled his readers about. And that was the supposed “radicalism” of what he describes as an unique “third wave” of woke queer activists.

As with modern “anarchists”, there is nothing “radical” about today’s queers, other than the costumes they choose to don for live-action-roleplay. Most trans-aligned online media, for example, is breathtakingly dull and pedestrian; populated by secular evangelists who have more in common with the parochial essentialism of the woke-right, than the thinking of Butler or Foucault. More than they would ever be willing to admit.

Re: No, Pederasty is not the last seat on the "innate capacity" bus

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2026 2:58 pm
by Learning to undeny
I think any attempt to incorporate pederasty (which I suppose means adolescent man-adolescent boy relationships in this context) while leaving behind the rest of MAPs is bound to fail in our current society. The societies where pederasty thrived were very different from ours, with sharp gender differences.

I don't know if such desire is an "innate capacity" in men (I know that the "normal" person was considered bisexual in some cultures so I'm open to this view), but even if it were, that's largely irrelevant. The ways things were done in the past do not dictate the future. We should take inspiration from LGBT itslef, at least in this aspect:
Yenis' article wrote: The Pride flag represents a new deal for Americans: Government grants what nature denies. We can invent new ways of life in defiance of the most ancient norms. Neither nature nor history can limit us. It’s a stunning view of freedom.
Anyway, I don't think there are many such exclusionary pederasts (outside maybe BoyChat).

Good points on not excluding other marginalised identities. I don't know if you had some particular event in mind when you wrote this:
Romanticization of pedophilia is a pipe dream that died two decades ago.

Re: No, Pederasty is not the last seat on the "innate capacity" bus

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2026 9:25 pm
by PorcelainLark
Some serious wishful thinking is going on if there are boylovers who think they'll be tolerated in a fascist regime. Definitely turkeys voting for Christmas.