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people engaging in epstein hysteria are falling for the same kind of devious propaganda that demonizes pedos for decades now.

they say trumps america is already facist, but the truth is we are experiencing only the final preperations for a modern kind of "national-socialism". and those preperations were already started back in the 80s, the neoliberal reagan-era.

after the downfall of socialism and more than 40 years later, we now live in times where anti-capitalist rhetoric is becoming mainstream again. billioniares and elites are now the main target of many people, no matter their political views. there is only one solution for the system in order to be kept alive: it has to take over this potential threat to its existence by delivering the masses another narrative. so what's better than shifting the focus from structures onto a specific group of people?

people don't really understand what the purpose of the "jew" under nazi regime was. it wasn't merely a scapegoat. it was a whole explanation of the world to how the powerful are damaging society. this exact image of an overwhelming enemy is now needed again.

the fact that nazis are literally called socialists is often played down as a matter of misuse of words. but no one tells you that their explicit usage of anti-capitalist rhetoric is one of the main reasons they have taken over power. and the "jew" was the needed element that made them seem like anti-capitalist in the first place.

they have never identified as right or conservative such as MAGA does, but as a party that stands above all divisions. they were not voted solely by right-wingers, but by all kinds of people. suitability for the masses was their key to success, because *this* is how facism (fasces = bundle) is defined as.

all of this epstein lore is used to confirm the myth of the evil satanist pedo cults. it was built up for years. qanon and pizzagate are mainstream now. pedos are the ultimate evil that only seek for power in order to fulfill their sick desires. so this will lead to only one consequence:

pedos will be used for a final political shift that will establish a totalitarian regime in america that seeks to extinguish all their enemies. it will ultimately take over europe too and then seek for total global power. and this will all happen in the name of socialism. again.

I hope not

Do you think Trump is anti-capitalist? How so? I'd say only anti-liberal, and certainly not a socialist. Perhaps I misunderstood.

And do you think all anti-capitalism leads to fascism? How do you reconcile this with the relative recentness of capitalism? Or with anarchism, which opposes both capitalism and the state.

Learning to undeny wrote: Sun Feb 01, 2026 1:14 am I hope not

Do you think Trump is anti-capitalist? How so? I'd say only anti-liberal, and certainly not a socialist. Perhaps I misunderstood.

And do you think all anti-capitalism leads to fascism? How do you reconcile this with the relative recentness of capitalism? Or with anarchism, which opposes both capitalism and the state.

Trump is not anti-capitalist, because he isn't fascist either (yet?). He simply stands in American tradition as his predecessors with the difference that he doesn't hide his motives under moralism anymore while expanding even further on state authoritarianism.

My main point is that fascism can only be established in times where the capitalist establishment is threatened to go down. For this matter it needs another narrative that let people of all kind believe they are fighting against that establishment, but in reality are helping to obtain it. I don't equate fascism with anti-capitalism here. Fascism in fact uses anti-capitalism to establish totalitarian capitalism.

I'm talking about a final political shift that will bring this in. I don't know how that might look like and how much current Trump administration is directly involved, but I definitely see the tendencies that this will be played out and also to the disadvantage of MAPs.

Ok, thanks for clarifying. I see the Trump administration moving in this direction, but not with MAPs as a scapegoat until Trump himself (a MAP) leaves office.

After reading the clarification I'd say I agree wholeheartedly. Also, with many on the nominal and actual left scapegoating MAPs too because of Epstein's rich right wing associations I worry that even after this potential fascist regime comes into place and collapses that the post-fascist period won't be any better for us. It reminds me of the queer people who were liberated from Nazi death camps only to be reimprisoned and/or subject to brutal conversion therapy under the homophobic governments of the allies.

Capitalists are subhuman.

Contemporary America of the twenties is not a parody of the Third Reich. It's more like the country from Sinclair Lewis's "It Can't Happen Here" (a very relevant book written in 1935). Trump is a right-wing populist, but contrary to popular belief, National Socialism was a leftist, not a rightist, movement. Fascism was rightist, but the identification of the two is based not on the content of their ideology, but on the fact that Germany and Italy found themselves on the same side of the fence in 1939. But liberal democracy and international socialism could equally well be considered similar, since the USSR and the United States were allies until 1946.

So, Trump is a political con man and populist who came to power amid widespread fatigue with the system, yet represents the very same system he supposedly opposed.

The Epstein case, by the way, is a clear indication that the antis are not sincere. They declared the MAPs enemies, outcasts, and the worst kind of villains because they needed a scapegoat. And by attacking innocent MAPs, they concealed their own crimes—truly cruel and horrific (if the files are true). Or (if their "crimes" were simply sex with teenagers), they made an exception for themselves, creating an elite class and access to intergenerational intimacy as a way to make themselves exceptional, a privilege reserved for the few.

Germany from 1933 to 1945 was a socialist state whose economy became more command-and-control than market-based. Formally, the capitalist class remained, but in reality, it lost any ability to influence the state. It was also an anti-establishment and anti-banking state, whereas Trump is loyal to banks and the Federal Reserve, and does not ban interest and usury, nor does he take away the influence of the oligarchs who support his power.

A command-and-control economy is also largely ineffective when it comes to governing a country and meeting society's needs—this was demonstrated by National Socialism in the Reich, Marxism-Leninism in the USSR, and even democratic socialism (Chile in 1969-73). All three ultimately failed, albeit for different reasons. The market economy, however, proved to be the only viable option.