THE MAP MOVEMENT IS OUT OF TIME
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2026 12:40 pm
...and, that's time. Good game; we lost. I really shouldn't have to spell out why but due to the low level of political education both among people in the MAP activist adjacent scene and the low priority of most movement leaders in seeking to change this, I suppose I have to. To start with, the world situation is very bad, its at the "turn on the news, it doesn't matter what channel" point. I argued and pleaded with many people in ostensible leadership in the MAP scene to understand the times that we are actually living in. I was told many things: I was hyperbolic, I was too radical, I was unrealistic, I'm paranoid, I was deranged, I was an unhinged leftist and a Nazi simultaneously, that I was an asshole with some type of implied personality disorder. And yet, I was right and the critics of my positions were wrong. One thing I tried to stress over and over was that we are not living in the 90s/2000s anymore and any strategy predicated on that assumption will fail. I even was told that the timetable for pushing pro-C into the mainstream was something that would have to the 2030s but what I stressed over and over again, that many could not understand or refused to is that History is speeding up.
Let's be honest with ourselves, because no correct ideology, strategy, or tactic (and I know the latter is the only thing most MAPs ever think about) can be devised when the situation isn't correctly appraised and that can't be done without looking at even the ugly facts. Let's start with the core explicit/implicit assumption of most in the MAP movement: that the MAP movement can follow the path laid down by the LGBT movement into mainstream acceptance, however assimilationist, incomplete, or partial that acceptance may be. What was the timeframe to start doing that if we were going to achieve mainstream success by say 2026? That groundwork would have had to have been laid in the 2000s, possibly as far back as the 1990s, which as you'll recall was when NAMbLA was expelled from ILGA. It's interesting how many of you live in mentally in the 2000s but fail to recognize that decade was the major lost decade for the cause of MAPs/pedos/intergenerational love, whatever you want to call it. There was a major loosening in terms of sexual morality and a lax easy-going approach to sexuality that hadn't really been seen since the 70s and which we haven't seen since. Sadly, first wave groups were dissolving or hitting their nadir in pretty much all levels, membership, funds, legal situation, influence etc. and second wave groups were only incipient. We may have lost anyways, but we didn't have to lose as bad as we did, that's what the people who are insistent on this self-evidently false whig history that we've been making slow incremental progress since the 2000s fail to understand.
The 2010s were another lost decade and anti-c was a joke and largely counter-productive. And, we're at risk of losing whatever progress is left to make in the 2020s and beyond. We're in the fourth quarter of the game and we're down by at least three touchdowns.
The liberal establishment that you so earnestly appeal to? That you get on your knees, plead, and genuflect before? It's a corpse. And democracy in the West is a dead man walking. The so-called reasonable educated middle class of contemptible and loathsome petit-bourgeois that this movement has so often pitched to are turning into fascists or checking out, or are falling socially into the ranks of the proletarian and the lumpen. The reason that arguments don't work with them? They merely believe anything the oligarchy tells them to believe. An upper-middle class person is someone who aspires to live like the haute-bourgeoisie on something like 1/100th-1000th of their income. These are extremely foolish and naive people, a trait that coexists strangely with their general cynicism, over and over again, it is observed by some of the more awake in this cohort that the people in power "aren't even bothering to lie to us anymore" which is in many ways the real reason that Trump is loathed among them as deep down they have need for comforting lies that are no longer adequately being provided. You don't really convince these people, you either bully them violently and ruthlessly from below or get the oligarchy to change to change the programing to signal these new beliefs are high status.
Let's be honest about what's happening with Iran, it is the start of World War III. It is also a declaration by the American oligarchy that bourgeois democracy is over, and many leaders in Europe and US-aligned Asia are dancing to this tune, leaping for joy and clicking their heels like a happy-go lucky minstrel caricature from a racist early 20th century film, shucking and jiving for their master: Donald Trump and US imperialism. This war isn't going to magically stop, nor will casualties be light, and economic catastrophe will be enormous as 20% of the world's oil flows through the straight of hormuz and much of its natural gas, a lot of the world's fetilizer also comes in through the ME so enjoy even higher food prices than would otherwise be caused by rising energy costs. Higher prices for everything as energy is key to everything. Are you really still clutching to your Milton Friedman in 2026? The notion that "inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon" is a tautology and a truism. But, more importantly, have you considered what the consequences of restricting money supply/velocity will be, however, it is done? Essentially, everything has been set up so the next recession will be in all likelihood be not just a depression but a new great depression. A new super crisis. You still got your copy of Sowell's basic economics? Cool but I don't have the time to teach econ 202 unless people really want to learn it. Suffice it to say that you can hang onto libertarian or Keynesian nostrums, I could debunk them and you'd still probably walk away unconvinced regardless of what I say, saying "no one really knows" but if there's not enough fertilizer or fuel/energy for modern agriculture then the system will underproduce in comparison to human need and whatever the monetary policy, money isn't going to make it appear short-notice.
As for the point on fuel and food-led inflation, we already saw this play out recently with the Russia-Ukraine war as Russia is a major exporter of both and we saw it play out in the 70s too. Europe has been depleting its treasuries for years trying to offset the cost of higher energy for the average consumer on top of trying to rebuild their militaries to fight Russia. There isn't going to be a comfy Euro welfare state in the future, as overrated as that is, there isn't even going to be democracy, there's going to be fascism and police-state/military rule enforced at gunpoint with the pretense of wartime and emergency powers. Because, Europe generally lags America in everything, this might not be apparent to some of you now but the American ruling class has made that choice already and much of the world will follow.
More on the hormuz situation and btw the strait is already basically close but the world economy is a lot like Wiley E. Coyote chasing the roadrunner off a cliff, it hasn't looked down:
https://xcancel.com/partisangirl/status ... 2490404277
Maybe you hate America and see the latest disaster through an optimistic lens but really the strait closure would actually hurt America's rivals much more than America itself, because it is a major good exporter that is self-sufficient in terms of its oil needs and a natural gas super-power. But America is a continent away from all those needy consumers unless... wait, higher prices make transporting LNG by ship to Europe and Asia profitable. And that has been happening already. And who will pay? The Europeans and Asians. You know, the thing about the 1970s oil/inflation crisis is that it hurt America's European and East Asian rivals (such as Japan) much more then it hurt America itself. The EU in 2000 had a larger nominal economy than the US and now its smaller by a large degree despite having more people. Japan was somewhere between 60-70% of US GDP in the late 80s/90s with many economists and reporters treating Japanese overtake of the top spot as a fait accompli. Japan was an economic tiger, but now its a housecat compared to America.
The American empire isn't winning everywhere, but in spite of its losses, its been notching major victories. Sure, Ukraine didn't go as planned and has been basically cut loose as the Europeans foolishly continue to finance it but there have been other successes, Venezuela pretty notably.
As for the broader point, if you can't see the disaster overtaking this world at this point, I truly don't know how to help you. We haven't had a Great Depression or Gavrilo Princip moment and WW3 is already starting. Truly, this should have been obvious to leadership in this movement during the Russia-Ukraine war but the warnings I and others made about this were ignored. All indications show these wars are being waged, and will be waged with more disregard for human life and civilian casualties then wars we've seen in the past 80 years. Just look at the Gaza genocide, or the US adopting the Israeli strategy of blowing up schools (deaths of young girls exceed 100+) or starving Cuba if you doubt it.
Isn't it kinda obvious that this merits a rethink in MAP strategy and organization? People aren't going to be thinking about MAPs, good or bad, when this thing gets REALLY bloody and costly, they are going to be thinking about safety and survival. Did the nascent gay/trans rights movement survive the Nazis? If there even had been a comparable analogue in Europe and America, would it have taken off in the conditions of the 30s/40s? Unlikely. People were thinking less about pleasure, sex, love, and what rights they have to exercise with their bodies and more about survival and safety. It's notable that when the LGBT reconstituted itself, it didn't win in post-war Germany where the movement really originated but in America and the first successes came in the 60s decades later. Not encouraging but if you NEED a cope, well I guess you can say it came at the end of the 60s when another failed war (Vietnam) was radicalizing the population.
MAPs should come together across borders to oppose this war because it's bad for our interests and we have no stake in this system -- though some of you seem to think otherwise. Really MAPs should not only organize but be armed, use what opportunities present themselves to either undermine the Western imperialist states or take advantage of the change in focus on the part of the police and security services to do something. We definitely aren't going to be priority number one. I wouldn't count on some liberal revival, or miracle akin to 1968 to save us, and if such a thing were to happen there's a good chance it wouldn't be good for us as things stand now. Among leftists/liberals on X and elsewhere there is a cry that we live in the "Epstein Empire" and this is line of rhetoric has been taken up all the way in Iran which does not share in the age taboo to near the extent as the West. MAPs/Trump/Israeli-childkillers are fused together in many minds atm.
The average liberal is now on the same level as a Qtard from 2017. Prigozhin said something very true, "it's okay to have faith in God but he's not going to win the war for you." The average MAP in this sphere essentially is praying for God to win the war. But instead of Yahweh, this God is liberalism and unlike Yahweh it's not even clear this God can even be pleased even if one "does everything right" nor is it especially forgiving God, to the extent it even still exists. Its not even clear that liberalism is even truly compatible with MAP rights, the average MAP might have a libertine sexual outlook, but sex under liberalism is governed by contract theory. If you wouldn't grant a 14 year old a $1-300,000 student or home loan would you trust them to make decisions about anything else? Just embrace YL and change that? Its not clear how desirable that even is under the present status quo which is marked by extreme inequality, nor is it clear this is a matter they can be persuaded on.
The first step here is admitting there's a problem. The uncalled for hopium and the simping for liberalism and the Western liberal establishment are a problem. The tendency towards capitulation, pacifism, moderation, respectability-chasing, optics-cucking, and playing towards the good will of the public, which has been trained to be vociferous antis and bigots, and are in the vast majority, *is* a problem. There's no point in playing the moderate when there's no one even at the table, moderates are elevated when the establishment wants to sideline actual radicals, they almost never achieve anything major outside that context. We live in radical times, without radical perspective and discipline, nothing will be won. And if we're going to win there needs to be a plan, since they are cracking down on the entire clearnet, all over the world. Again, the LGBT movement in Germany did not survive and only re-emerged in the mainstream because of wins elsewhere in the West. We may lose regardless of what we do. We WILL lose if we maintain the current course.
Let's be honest with ourselves, because no correct ideology, strategy, or tactic (and I know the latter is the only thing most MAPs ever think about) can be devised when the situation isn't correctly appraised and that can't be done without looking at even the ugly facts. Let's start with the core explicit/implicit assumption of most in the MAP movement: that the MAP movement can follow the path laid down by the LGBT movement into mainstream acceptance, however assimilationist, incomplete, or partial that acceptance may be. What was the timeframe to start doing that if we were going to achieve mainstream success by say 2026? That groundwork would have had to have been laid in the 2000s, possibly as far back as the 1990s, which as you'll recall was when NAMbLA was expelled from ILGA. It's interesting how many of you live in mentally in the 2000s but fail to recognize that decade was the major lost decade for the cause of MAPs/pedos/intergenerational love, whatever you want to call it. There was a major loosening in terms of sexual morality and a lax easy-going approach to sexuality that hadn't really been seen since the 70s and which we haven't seen since. Sadly, first wave groups were dissolving or hitting their nadir in pretty much all levels, membership, funds, legal situation, influence etc. and second wave groups were only incipient. We may have lost anyways, but we didn't have to lose as bad as we did, that's what the people who are insistent on this self-evidently false whig history that we've been making slow incremental progress since the 2000s fail to understand.
The 2010s were another lost decade and anti-c was a joke and largely counter-productive. And, we're at risk of losing whatever progress is left to make in the 2020s and beyond. We're in the fourth quarter of the game and we're down by at least three touchdowns.
The liberal establishment that you so earnestly appeal to? That you get on your knees, plead, and genuflect before? It's a corpse. And democracy in the West is a dead man walking. The so-called reasonable educated middle class of contemptible and loathsome petit-bourgeois that this movement has so often pitched to are turning into fascists or checking out, or are falling socially into the ranks of the proletarian and the lumpen. The reason that arguments don't work with them? They merely believe anything the oligarchy tells them to believe. An upper-middle class person is someone who aspires to live like the haute-bourgeoisie on something like 1/100th-1000th of their income. These are extremely foolish and naive people, a trait that coexists strangely with their general cynicism, over and over again, it is observed by some of the more awake in this cohort that the people in power "aren't even bothering to lie to us anymore" which is in many ways the real reason that Trump is loathed among them as deep down they have need for comforting lies that are no longer adequately being provided. You don't really convince these people, you either bully them violently and ruthlessly from below or get the oligarchy to change to change the programing to signal these new beliefs are high status.
Let's be honest about what's happening with Iran, it is the start of World War III. It is also a declaration by the American oligarchy that bourgeois democracy is over, and many leaders in Europe and US-aligned Asia are dancing to this tune, leaping for joy and clicking their heels like a happy-go lucky minstrel caricature from a racist early 20th century film, shucking and jiving for their master: Donald Trump and US imperialism. This war isn't going to magically stop, nor will casualties be light, and economic catastrophe will be enormous as 20% of the world's oil flows through the straight of hormuz and much of its natural gas, a lot of the world's fetilizer also comes in through the ME so enjoy even higher food prices than would otherwise be caused by rising energy costs. Higher prices for everything as energy is key to everything. Are you really still clutching to your Milton Friedman in 2026? The notion that "inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon" is a tautology and a truism. But, more importantly, have you considered what the consequences of restricting money supply/velocity will be, however, it is done? Essentially, everything has been set up so the next recession will be in all likelihood be not just a depression but a new great depression. A new super crisis. You still got your copy of Sowell's basic economics? Cool but I don't have the time to teach econ 202 unless people really want to learn it. Suffice it to say that you can hang onto libertarian or Keynesian nostrums, I could debunk them and you'd still probably walk away unconvinced regardless of what I say, saying "no one really knows" but if there's not enough fertilizer or fuel/energy for modern agriculture then the system will underproduce in comparison to human need and whatever the monetary policy, money isn't going to make it appear short-notice.
As for the point on fuel and food-led inflation, we already saw this play out recently with the Russia-Ukraine war as Russia is a major exporter of both and we saw it play out in the 70s too. Europe has been depleting its treasuries for years trying to offset the cost of higher energy for the average consumer on top of trying to rebuild their militaries to fight Russia. There isn't going to be a comfy Euro welfare state in the future, as overrated as that is, there isn't even going to be democracy, there's going to be fascism and police-state/military rule enforced at gunpoint with the pretense of wartime and emergency powers. Because, Europe generally lags America in everything, this might not be apparent to some of you now but the American ruling class has made that choice already and much of the world will follow.
More on the hormuz situation and btw the strait is already basically close but the world economy is a lot like Wiley E. Coyote chasing the roadrunner off a cliff, it hasn't looked down:
https://xcancel.com/partisangirl/status ... 2490404277
Maybe you hate America and see the latest disaster through an optimistic lens but really the strait closure would actually hurt America's rivals much more than America itself, because it is a major good exporter that is self-sufficient in terms of its oil needs and a natural gas super-power. But America is a continent away from all those needy consumers unless... wait, higher prices make transporting LNG by ship to Europe and Asia profitable. And that has been happening already. And who will pay? The Europeans and Asians. You know, the thing about the 1970s oil/inflation crisis is that it hurt America's European and East Asian rivals (such as Japan) much more then it hurt America itself. The EU in 2000 had a larger nominal economy than the US and now its smaller by a large degree despite having more people. Japan was somewhere between 60-70% of US GDP in the late 80s/90s with many economists and reporters treating Japanese overtake of the top spot as a fait accompli. Japan was an economic tiger, but now its a housecat compared to America.
The American empire isn't winning everywhere, but in spite of its losses, its been notching major victories. Sure, Ukraine didn't go as planned and has been basically cut loose as the Europeans foolishly continue to finance it but there have been other successes, Venezuela pretty notably.
As for the broader point, if you can't see the disaster overtaking this world at this point, I truly don't know how to help you. We haven't had a Great Depression or Gavrilo Princip moment and WW3 is already starting. Truly, this should have been obvious to leadership in this movement during the Russia-Ukraine war but the warnings I and others made about this were ignored. All indications show these wars are being waged, and will be waged with more disregard for human life and civilian casualties then wars we've seen in the past 80 years. Just look at the Gaza genocide, or the US adopting the Israeli strategy of blowing up schools (deaths of young girls exceed 100+) or starving Cuba if you doubt it.
Isn't it kinda obvious that this merits a rethink in MAP strategy and organization? People aren't going to be thinking about MAPs, good or bad, when this thing gets REALLY bloody and costly, they are going to be thinking about safety and survival. Did the nascent gay/trans rights movement survive the Nazis? If there even had been a comparable analogue in Europe and America, would it have taken off in the conditions of the 30s/40s? Unlikely. People were thinking less about pleasure, sex, love, and what rights they have to exercise with their bodies and more about survival and safety. It's notable that when the LGBT reconstituted itself, it didn't win in post-war Germany where the movement really originated but in America and the first successes came in the 60s decades later. Not encouraging but if you NEED a cope, well I guess you can say it came at the end of the 60s when another failed war (Vietnam) was radicalizing the population.
MAPs should come together across borders to oppose this war because it's bad for our interests and we have no stake in this system -- though some of you seem to think otherwise. Really MAPs should not only organize but be armed, use what opportunities present themselves to either undermine the Western imperialist states or take advantage of the change in focus on the part of the police and security services to do something. We definitely aren't going to be priority number one. I wouldn't count on some liberal revival, or miracle akin to 1968 to save us, and if such a thing were to happen there's a good chance it wouldn't be good for us as things stand now. Among leftists/liberals on X and elsewhere there is a cry that we live in the "Epstein Empire" and this is line of rhetoric has been taken up all the way in Iran which does not share in the age taboo to near the extent as the West. MAPs/Trump/Israeli-childkillers are fused together in many minds atm.
The average liberal is now on the same level as a Qtard from 2017. Prigozhin said something very true, "it's okay to have faith in God but he's not going to win the war for you." The average MAP in this sphere essentially is praying for God to win the war. But instead of Yahweh, this God is liberalism and unlike Yahweh it's not even clear this God can even be pleased even if one "does everything right" nor is it especially forgiving God, to the extent it even still exists. Its not even clear that liberalism is even truly compatible with MAP rights, the average MAP might have a libertine sexual outlook, but sex under liberalism is governed by contract theory. If you wouldn't grant a 14 year old a $1-300,000 student or home loan would you trust them to make decisions about anything else? Just embrace YL and change that? Its not clear how desirable that even is under the present status quo which is marked by extreme inequality, nor is it clear this is a matter they can be persuaded on.
The first step here is admitting there's a problem. The uncalled for hopium and the simping for liberalism and the Western liberal establishment are a problem. The tendency towards capitulation, pacifism, moderation, respectability-chasing, optics-cucking, and playing towards the good will of the public, which has been trained to be vociferous antis and bigots, and are in the vast majority, *is* a problem. There's no point in playing the moderate when there's no one even at the table, moderates are elevated when the establishment wants to sideline actual radicals, they almost never achieve anything major outside that context. We live in radical times, without radical perspective and discipline, nothing will be won. And if we're going to win there needs to be a plan, since they are cracking down on the entire clearnet, all over the world. Again, the LGBT movement in Germany did not survive and only re-emerged in the mainstream because of wins elsewhere in the West. We may lose regardless of what we do. We WILL lose if we maintain the current course.