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A post by Matt Walsh came to my attention today, Walsh writes

Gay surrogacy and gay adoption are predicated on the idea that gay men (or women) have a “right” to become parents. This idea is not only morally insane but also logically incoherent. It’s exactly like jumping off a building and claiming that you have the right to fly. Nobody has the right to defy the laws of nature. Where would such a right even originate? Two men cannot be parents. It’s impossible. Doesn’t matter how they feel or what they want. It cannot be. The only “right” at issue here is the right of the child. And the child has a right to be raised by a mother and a father, not two men masquerading as mother and father.

The leftist podcasters The Serfs wrote concerning this post "Congrats to all the transphobic pickme gays you're next on the menu" to which my reply is, yes! And that's a good thing! These leftoids began excluding MAPs from the LGBT coalition as early as the 80s but definitively pushed and sold out MAPs from that coalition under conservative pressure in 1994. The rollback on trans rights? Who saw rollback first in terms of acceptance and far harder? MAPs. Rollback on women's right to an abortion? Not only did MAPs get rolled back first but feminists openly and not so openly worked to exclude MAPs from sexual rights coaltions. Those feminists who were in leftist spaces where they couldn't be openly reactionary against NAMbLA found it hard to win arguments with them and but a certain number worked against them nonetheless.

I've been noticing more and more open homophobia and seeing evidence that its having an effect in the polling (not that democracy really matters anymore, it will be rolled back when its decided the time is ripe). Funny thing about that comment on the pick me gays there was a woman in TERF circles that said the recently doxxed right wing twitter personality howling mutant who is consistently making child rape jokes and even some outright pro-c MAP arguments has been added to TERF group chats simply because the TERFs are pro-MAGA now since TERFs hate trans folx and the leaders of said groups decided to include him, causing apparent chagrin to some members. But they made their made and its time to lay in it.

As hard as it is, you have to say the same to anti-MAP feminists, gays, and trans people. "None of us are free until all of us are free"? Good. Then we should welcome the collapse of structures of "freedom" built on exclusion and oppression. And the correct response to this is not to put a hand out to groups that are being repressed that have legitimized themselves at our expense but to laugh at them and humiliate them. And do that a lot. And once that's done see if you can get them to understand where MAPs fit into this. But if not, you leave them to their fate to fight their own battles. Certainly, if they succeed in undoing the recent right wing offensives they will claim they did it all without you, as they do now already with Stonewall.

That's why its a good thing if they lose. That's why you have to laugh at their misfortune. That's why you have to rub it in their face. Rollback is coming and that's an imminently good thing. People will be drawn closer to us when they feel they are closer to being in our boat. Trust the Plan. Proudly Vote Trump-Vance 2028 aka write an X on your niece's etcha-sketch, its the same fucking difference.

Speaking of TERFs, pro-lesbian TERF Kathleen Stock has recently came out against abortions: https://archive.ph/AXD6L

It is bizarre hearing a feminist speaking against abortion based on a convoluted appeals to both conservative feminist and pro-life talking points. But it does point to a general direction at least within British, Canadian, Australian, New Zealander and (tentatively) American feminisms wherein TERF hegemony will lead to feminism becoming extremely reactionary and conservative to the point of being indistinguishable from the western right, turning into the white middle-class women's caucus of every right-populist party in the west.

Going back to OP's point, anyone concern-trolling about the gay lobby's demise has to understand that it costs nothing for MAPs to mock the demise of the gay lobby and its supporters within the PMC. If said "freedom" is built on the exclusion of others based on political expedience, then MAPs never had the chance to successfully petition with the gay lobby in the first place by 1994. It's time for people to do away with delusions of grand coalitions because for such alliances to exist every group needs bargaining power, and MAPs lack it. All in all, us MAPs and our allies will never get far if we insist on reforming and appealing to the same rotten status quo that is inherently exclusionary towards us and oppresses us. It's like eurocommunists being so delusional as to think the EU can be turned communist (something illegal for member countries per the current EU constitution) by just electing their MPs into the European Parliament, in spite of the Commission being the actual decision-makers.

As a wise saying goes: "To build something new and better, you've got to destroy the old"

As uncomfortable as it may be for the MAP community, though times are ahead, old tactics won't work as the current closure of the Hormuz strait is wreaking havoc on the world. It's time for a new change. A good start would be to stop trying to appeal to the declining gay lobby like hopeless stray puppies.