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I see your point, the thing is I don't see how they would enjoy it if they don't have libido yet, but I agree what society think is harmful is actually due to secondary harmbnkywuv wrote: Sat May 02, 2026 6:10 pm Nonverbal people can give consent. Animals can give consent (bonbons and Capuchin monkeys even having specific hand gestures). I believe human children can consent as soon as they're aware of sexual feelings, or that this funny feeling they have makes them feel good.
This whole idea of consent being based around words alone has effectively been used to deny and even outright abuse verbal, spoken, and written language, and completely ignoring body language which usually says far more than words. Let's say one can say yes but they're coerced into saying it out of fear of rejection or punishment. Are you going to believe them based on their words ALONE or how their body is reacting, their eye movements, their stance, etc?
This notion that "yes means yes and no means no" can and has been used to abuse people (well, you did say yes)...but their body language and vocalizations clearly state the opposite and the abuser or toxic person will keep ignoring them well beyond their threshold because "they said they consent".
If someone is being touched but they have a sore arm and are too tired to speak, it's obvious when they don't want you touching them even without words. Vice versa too. Also certain behaviors in the body language in nonverbal people or animals will be telltale signs even though they cannot speak our language, whether they're actually enjoying themselves or reacting from submission or manipulation/abuse.
How can they understand something they haven't done? Humans learn by doing, and sex is one of the least complicated things a human can learn about. Sexual knowledge is something that's artificially kept secret from kids.harrydubois666 wrote: Sat May 02, 2026 2:44 pm How can the consent to something they don't understand?
So everyone's life must be exactly like yours or it's wrong? I started masturbating at 13, so does that mean you were an abnormal sex-crazed mentally-traumatized pervert because you started at 11?harrydubois666 wrote: Sat May 02, 2026 2:44 pm I remember I started masturbating when I was 11, but younger than that seems wrong
I didn't mean that, I'm attracted to people younger than 11 too, and I feel bad about it, I just wanted to hear people's opinions here, I don't think I'm better than people here because I like them older since society hates us anywaysTayFerret wrote: Sat May 02, 2026 8:09 pmHow can they understand something they haven't done? Humans learn by doing, and sex is one of the least complicated things a human can learn about. Sexual knowledge is something that's artificially kept secret from kids.harrydubois666 wrote: Sat May 02, 2026 2:44 pm How can the consent to something they don't understand?
So everyone's life must be exactly like yours or it's wrong? I started masturbating at 13, so does that mean you were an abnormal sex-crazed mentally-traumatized pervert because you started at 11?harrydubois666 wrote: Sat May 02, 2026 2:44 pm I remember I started masturbating when I was 11, but younger than that seems wrong
Edit: Oh, I see. Your AoA starts at 11. So as long as you get to have sex with who you want, that's enough. You don't care about anyone else's rights. Selfish.
I don't think that there's one specific birthday that changes everything for all young people. Physical and emotional growth are gradual processes that unfold at different times for different individuals.harrydubois666 wrote: Sat May 02, 2026 2:44 pm I'm curious, at what age do you think minors can consent?
The Victorians felt the same way. That's why they invented 'chastity belts.'harrydubois666 wrote: Sat May 02, 2026 2:44 pm [...] I remember I started masturbating when I was 11, but younger than that seems wrong
What are you talking about? I don't know where you're getting this from, that nobody has ANY libido before puberty. 'Science shows that children can and do experience sexual arousal and pleasure before puberty, although the intensity and patterns change with development.'¹ Puberty increases sex hormones, but those sex hormones are present before puberty. 'Desire and pleasure exist on a continuum and vary widely between individuals.'¹harrydubois666 wrote: Sat May 02, 2026 7:48 pm [...] I don't see how they would enjoy it if they don't have libido yet [...]
To add upon the other arguments here,harrydubois666 wrote: Sat May 02, 2026 2:44 pm How can the consent to something they don't understand?
This, and there are many reasons people have sex other than physical pleasure they may receive.OnionPetal wrote: Sat May 02, 2026 9:51 pm'Science shows that children can and do experience sexual arousal and pleasure before pubertyharrydubois666 wrote: Sat May 02, 2026 7:48 pm [...] I don't see how they would enjoy it if they don't have libido yet [...]