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As in many of them believe that their should be ZERO stigmatization against being nude, having sex in public, genitals etc, and that genitals in general should be just like any non sexualized body part such as hands or arms.

Also it seems many believes that we with our massive human brains massively overcomplicate sex into this huge social contract that has to do with genitals that once you have it you'll be irreparably changed for life....when in reality the concept itself is very simple and normal people are just easily brainwashed into believing whatever the social/religious/societal view on things and default mentally to "that's just how it is so therefore I shall accept it that way too" without so much as questioning the nonsense of why it became that way.

Hell if it wasn't for god damn religion and the "adam and eve" story we MIGHT of actually been able to just.....go naked like any other animal if weather permits with zero shame. Of course their are other reasons and religions that contributed to that as well but you know what I mean.

Hell if it wasn't for god damn religion and the "adam and eve" story we MIGHT of actually been able to just.....go naked like any other animal if weather permits with zero shame.

I think a big part of the aversion to public nudity and sex stems not from the kind of sex-negativity that drives anti-pedophilia or the anti-AMSC on principle stance but self-consciousness and fear of rejection, an aversion to competition (being compared to more attractive men or women. I don't think a gay man has to worry about being compared to women since what makes men vs. women attractive is largely, but not entirely, a matter of apples and oranges. Being rejected by a gay woman might be disappointing but it's not the same blow to your ego that comes with being rejected by a straight or at least male-attracted woman who's interested in the category you belong to, the problem is with you. Maybe some people feel differently, some people think misogyny in gay men stems from a sense of competition with women for straight men and it took a long time for me to consider/realize the possibility that some lesbians might feel the same way about straight men; i.e. these clowns have access to most of the people I'm attracted to, or at least more of them than I do, which is hilarious from a straight male perspective when you consider that most men would sleep with a gay woman if they could and aren't viewing them as 'competition'), an aversion to the social power imbalance that comes with unrequited attraction and just not wanting what you can't have thrown in your face. I've suspected for a long time that these issues might drive some of the grievance with porn and sex work (wanting sex to be private so potential partners can't compare you to people in porn etc.). There's also this idea that women don't like promiscuous women because they give away what more conservative women use to acquire a committed relationship (why wait months for the girl you're dating to have sex with you when you can pay for it with an escort or have a one-night stand with more sexually open women), I don't know if I can tie that in to the topic.


It would also be extremely awkward for probably most people to be standing with certain people (e.g. one's mother) when people nearby are having sex. I'm not against public nudity or sex on principle but I do think there are consequentialist reasons to discourage it without it been seen as inherently 'indecent' or 'lewd.' I don't think it should be illegal but I might generally find it inconsiderate. I don't like coming across scantily clad women in public, for the reasons I mentioned, unless maybe they were really kind people and I could trust them to not critique/mock my appearance, be unusually callous or cruel, harshly reject me (not that I have ever resented a woman for merely rejecting me), etc.

I was going to say something in response to the start of your post but I'll leave it at that.

I always say the idea of modesty is always a moving target. As with slurs, cripple gives way to handicapped then handicapped becomes offensive, and we begin to use the term disabled. For Victorians, the ankle was scandalous, for many Muslims the uncovered face of women. If you grew up in a context where nudity was common, as was the case for me, you have this incredulity that people make such a big deal out of it. Forget children for a moment, how is it that breastfeeding can't be on social media? I may be a dirty hippie, but I find it hard to believe people actually care so much about nudity.

To those of you who are uncomfortable with nudity, I'd really like to understand the perspective, because I can't relate to it at all.

A quote from the sculptor Rodin:

Why should I clothe M. Hugo in the ridiculous masculine fashions of our time? There is nothing more banal than those statues of recent notabilities masquerading as tailor’s dummies of their ugly period. On the other hand, man’s naked form belongs to no particular moment in history; it is eternal and can be looked upon with joy by the people of all ages.

My own discomfort with nudity really only comes from sex dysphoria, discomfort with temperature, and bodily fluids on seating. There are also some practical considerations to consider for some people - I know some women who hate leaning over to do chores around the house only to hit their nipples against something. I think if people becoming more accepting and understanding of general diversity among people's bodies and if people are given better access to affirming care to change their bodies in a way that suits them personally, we'll see the taboo lessen over time. It's noteworthy that ancient taboos and disgust towards nudity have a lot less to do with sexuality than with shame, perhaps some because of how disease and aging impacted bodies before modern medicine, some to do with accumulation of wealth and the cost of clothing being higher, as well as the practice of slavery.

Otherwise I'm pretty chill I think, though I do actually find clothing to be beautiful in many contexts. In the comfort of privacy I'll wear gender affirming prosthetics for my own feelings a lot of the time too, including in places where that's considered abnormal, i.e. a bath (so long as I take care of my hygiene at other times), so make of that what you will.