Message from Nelson Maatman

[PorcelainLark]

I would donate if I had any cryptocurrency. I going to try to start wrapping my head around it. Maybe I'll try setting up a credit union for MAPs in the long run. For now, I'm sorry; there's nothing I can do that wouldn't jeopardize my anonymity.

[Anonymous_Lover]

>I would donate if I had any cryptocurrency.
He couldn't accept it as far as I'm aware. Last time we tried to coordinate aid for him he said he could only accept it in the form of Amazon gift cards or something. So any option that at least gave the donor some anonymity was out of the question, including fiat.

>Do we really meant to do activism, or are we just talk?
What can I say here without violating the rules about getting too personal or without looking like an asshole for those unfamiliar with the situation? Have I not spoken on it with you present? The less that's said about it the better...

[Anonymous_Lover]

"My point was that it gives an opportunity to do more than talk."
It gives us an excellent opportunity to waste time. Like the last "save Nelson" project. How honest am I allowed to be here? He will find a way to self-destruct like he did when he fired his lawyer bc he was convinced that that any lawyer would deliberately lose his case. Then when he got restrained bc he shouted "Tim Ballard is a rapist" over and over again in a manner that would have gotten him charged with contempt in even an American court. Last time I talked to him he was writing an unrelated fiction novel rather than trying to improve his legal defense or exhaust his options at the embassy or with the Netherlands foreign office.

If you guys really want to help him give some [redacted] to the judge whose presiding over his case, I don't think he's getting a fair trial in Mexico -- they don't even have jury trials and its corrupt as fuck. We have emails from OUR showing Ballard entrapped him, I'm not sure it makes a difference though, they were shared with his lawyer...which... see paragraph one.

Why this special attention all the time to Nelson? What about Martijn and his partner or Norbert? Well, you might say that Martijn and his partner have already been sentenced and Norbert is a free man who appears to not want anything to do with the MAP movement anymore after being arrested and having his livelihood impacted. Sure. Somewhat valid, I suppose. Only I was told by someone who was on the phone with Nelson the day he was arrested that Nelson said he'd accidentally blown their cover. Whoops! Might have something to do with why Nobert won't even take social calls anymore as Nelson once complained.

You can take this comment down if the last part is too incendiary but I personally don't want anything to do with another "help Nelson" project.

[Artaxerxes II]

Results-wise it might be mostly useless, but still donating money to someone that has previously tried to do valuable work for MAPs is not entirely meaningless. Whatever mistakes he's made, he doesn't deserve what he's going through.

Are you taking to a symbolic sense? As in "MAPs may not be a significant political bloc, but we are still willing too look out for our members and support them at their direst times"? In this sense, I would agree.

Btw, has anyone attempted to forward Nelson's case to Amnesty international, HRW, or any other global human rights organisation? I remember emailing about his case to some Italian and Spanish newspapers, but nothing came out of it, and that was back when his case was still hot due to the release of Tim Ballard's box office hit Sound of Freedom.

I don't know much of the key details, but can't Nelson take his case up to the international court of justice in The Hague?

[Anonymous_Lover]

" don't truly understand how serious his situation is" partially his own fault, he indicated to me once that it didn't really bother him if he was sentenced and had to serve there, he also said he hadn't contacted the Dutch embassy even though he claimed there had almost been an uprising on his behalf within the government over the banned organization charges that caused him to flee. Maybe its all just putting on a brave face but he seemed to act at times as if he was thriving enjoying meth and fun with the boys, mogging passive Latinxes physically and thereby asserting his dominance in the prison hierarchy. As I was saying it might be best to simply pay off the judge overseeing his case or some corrupt official [in minecraft because this is a law-abiding Christian forum!] at least that way if the right person got paid you'd be able to bring him home rather than continually paying for his upkeep -- which I doubt we can do even if all pedi chipped in.

You would need someone who can be a point man that's fine with their real identity being revealed bc again he's said there's no way to get more anonymous means of payment such as crypto or even cash to him. Maybe that's changed or he's potentially found an in and there is a way to get fiat to him now. He was the one who went silent with us so if he feels abandoned its really his own fault. He seems at times to take the angle that he's *owed* support when he was the one who made the decision to flee to Mexico against the advice of other MAPs. William also acted as if it was owed to him. Not sure what that was about. Europeans seem to have a much more idyllic view of Latin America than Americans, as Martijn also learned about Latin America the hard way, sadly. I doubt any human rights related to inquiries will do much good.Not to lecture but for anyone that gets caught up in a similar situation unless you know your fucked for possibly decades of your life in jail-time there's no reason to flee a first world country with rule of law to a third world country that may not have it or that you don't know to navigate.

Personally, I won't push members of PCMA to donate when there's plenty of things we could use the money for ourselves. At the same time, I won't oppose people being made aware of a donation link for Nelson as long as it doesn't become too spammy/guilt-trippy. I won't pretend I don't think its likely just pissing down the drain as he seems to have a remarkable talent for self-destruction, poor communication, low IQ/low inhibition behavior and alienating people. I want to believe that helping to get him out of a shit situation might incline him towards better judgement.

But liminal made a sly remark about whether he deserves to be there and I've had questions about whether he's been fully honest with us while seeking our support. Initially, the case was comically bad in that the cops claimed he had a binder with CP in it that fell out when he was arrested; one of the last updates I received he mentioned that the authorities had produced a phone and he was pretty silent on that compared to the rest of his case.

To me, it doesn't matter if he's guilty or not guilty, but if he is guilty and they have him, I'd return to the question of why not aid for the others? Do you really think that Martijn is not in a situation that's just as bad or worse? Has anyone bothered to make contact with him? Does he even have a potential line of communication open?

[Anonymous_Lover]

If their current lawyers are competent I'm not sure there's much we can do. If their current lawyers aren't competent,

Well, sure there is. In the year this could take we could be getting them aid. And They could need money for the lawyers. You know that Nelson's line of communication came through contact with his lawyer (that he fired) bc William made contact with him from there we were able to get his cellphone.

If someone contacts the lawyers maybe we can contact them direct [dm offsite maybe we can work on this] if its a choice between the two I'd rather give aid to people who don't seem as dull or self-destructive and haven't had a shot at it. Plus there was some skeptical media opinion from a Dutch journalist about Martijn that could be an additional avenue to explore.

[Swoll]

Nelson is currently detained in a prison in Mexico. He sent this message with a request to share, forward & publish.

A while back my boyfriend - whom was living 3 doors down at the time - ‘accidentally’ go transfer to a new dormitory by prison administration. They moved him to the group cell in the dormitory for recidivists. Those are people whom are in jail for at least the third time in their life. Not cold-hearted sicarios, but the worst kind of street thugs live there.

It's my boyfriend's first time in prison for a relatively small crime when he was 18. He's not some tough gangster. He has learned to stand up for himself, but he's still a timid gay guy that even the prison admits is vulnerable in prison, and for that he legally has the right to protection. Protection he doesn't get. Protection we need.

Things went to hell a few weeks ago. For some thoughts brought me my boyfriend - whom was already marked by several hits he took - the hit him several times in front of me and told me that if I didn't pay that they'd beat the shit out of him. I paid the extortionist and then I paid some more to get rid of them.

I bought my boyfriend a bunk in a relatively quiet part of the group cell so he'd be safer, more comfortable and we'd have a place to hang out. I waited to visit so he could settle, but soon things went wrong again. A guy in one of the bunks below him falsely accused my boyfriend of stealing a radio. My boyfriend has a large history of false accusation and and as a gay guy in a homophobic ‘Catholic’ country ALWAYS got screwed over.

I didn't want to risk his safety or for him to end up in punishment. From my own experience I know how bad it is down there. I've often called it “worse than Guantanamo”, that should give you an image.
I paid to replace the radio, I paid to have the accuser moved out, and I paid for protection. I decided it was time to let my presence be known since I have a lot of rep in other parts of the prison. I paid the mafia for my right to visit and to get their ‘blessing’.

Despite the roaches and smell of death rat, his bunk turned into a little slice of heaven for us to hang out, smoke, talk, kiss, but it didn't last long. Things got weird quick.
My boyfriend started talking about how I should break up with him because he was supposedly no good for me. They found the real thief, but didn't give us back our money. And I was getting sick of the amount of favors and gifts the mafioso kept demanding. That was just the first day.

The second day my boyfriend acted distant, but initially wouldn't tell me why. At the end of the day as it was getting close for me to leave he finally broke and told me they were forcing him to extort me, but that he didn't want to. They had a used condom and wanted to force him to file a rape complaint if I didn't pay.

No, yes, I know it sounds ridiculous, but do realize that I'm already being held for two and a half years for HUMAN TRAFFICKING and drug trade without trial, without evidence and without the possibility of a defense against a crime I obviously didn't commit.
With the Mexican Government against me a condom with my sperm and a forced or made up victim declaration. I could easily be looking at several extra years of pre trial detention. And what about my boyfriend his safety?

I didn't have a choice. I paid to get the condom and faked breaking up with my boyfriend, publicly accusing him of extortion to stop the actual extortion. Obviously I didn't formally accuse him of extortion and it's with his knowledge and consent. Secretly we're still seeing each other in other parts of the prison.

The prison and my embassy - his embassy sucks - are aware of the situation and have promised to take appropriate action. They haven't done anything at all. I communicate with them daily and they keep telling us ‘not to worry’.
We're in danger come on broke, underweight and starving. Nobody helps.

Nobody helps mainly because apparently two guys who love each other is something horrible. More horrible than the systematic torture that goes on in this prison, or the trafficking of transforming for sex.

Please somebody send help or at least some money so we can eat! Stop looking away.

Nelson Maatman

11th of October 2024

Reclusorio Varonil Preventivo Oriente
Ciudad de México, México

Do we really meant to do activism, or are we just talk?

Is he still locked up in mexico ?

[Swoll]

Nelson is currently detained in a prison in Mexico. He sent this message with a request to share, forward & publish.

A while back my boyfriend - whom was living 3 doors down at the time - ‘accidentally’ go transfer to a new dormitory by prison administration. They moved him to the group cell in the dormitory for recidivists. Those are people whom are in jail for at least the third time in their life. Not cold-hearted sicarios, but the worst kind of street thugs live there.

It's my boyfriend's first time in prison for a relatively small crime when he was 18. He's not some tough gangster. He has learned to stand up for himself, but he's still a timid gay guy that even the prison admits is vulnerable in prison, and for that he legally has the right to protection. Protection he doesn't get. Protection we need.

Things went to hell a few weeks ago. For some thoughts brought me my boyfriend - whom was already marked by several hits he took - the hit him several times in front of me and told me that if I didn't pay that they'd beat the shit out of him. I paid the extortionist and then I paid some more to get rid of them.

I bought my boyfriend a bunk in a relatively quiet part of the group cell so he'd be safer, more comfortable and we'd have a place to hang out. I waited to visit so he could settle, but soon things went wrong again. A guy in one of the bunks below him falsely accused my boyfriend of stealing a radio. My boyfriend has a large history of false accusation and and as a gay guy in a homophobic ‘Catholic’ country ALWAYS got screwed over.

I didn't want to risk his safety or for him to end up in punishment. From my own experience I know how bad it is down there. I've often called it “worse than Guantanamo”, that should give you an image.
I paid to replace the radio, I paid to have the accuser moved out, and I paid for protection. I decided it was time to let my presence be known since I have a lot of rep in other parts of the prison. I paid the mafia for my right to visit and to get their ‘blessing’.

Despite the roaches and smell of death rat, his bunk turned into a little slice of heaven for us to hang out, smoke, talk, kiss, but it didn't last long. Things got weird quick.
My boyfriend started talking about how I should break up with him because he was supposedly no good for me. They found the real thief, but didn't give us back our money. And I was getting sick of the amount of favors and gifts the mafioso kept demanding. That was just the first day.

The second day my boyfriend acted distant, but initially wouldn't tell me why. At the end of the day as it was getting close for me to leave he finally broke and told me they were forcing him to extort me, but that he didn't want to. They had a used condom and wanted to force him to file a rape complaint if I didn't pay.

No, yes, I know it sounds ridiculous, but do realize that I'm already being held for two and a half years for HUMAN TRAFFICKING and drug trade without trial, without evidence and without the possibility of a defense against a crime I obviously didn't commit.
With the Mexican Government against me a condom with my sperm and a forced or made up victim declaration. I could easily be looking at several extra years of pre trial detention. And what about my boyfriend his safety?

I didn't have a choice. I paid to get the condom and faked breaking up with my boyfriend, publicly accusing him of extortion to stop the actual extortion. Obviously I didn't formally accuse him of extortion and it's with his knowledge and consent. Secretly we're still seeing each other in other parts of the prison.

The prison and my embassy - his embassy sucks - are aware of the situation and have promised to take appropriate action. They haven't done anything at all. I communicate with them daily and they keep telling us ‘not to worry’.
We're in danger come on broke, underweight and starving. Nobody helps.

Nobody helps mainly because apparently two guys who love each other is something horrible. More horrible than the systematic torture that goes on in this prison, or the trafficking of transforming for sex.

Please somebody send help or at least some money so we can eat! Stop looking away.

Nelson Maatman

11th of October 2024

Reclusorio Varonil Preventivo Oriente
Ciudad de México, México

Do we really meant to do activism, or are we just talk?

[Dean]

Now, okay, taking in the feedback....

What can I say. Have I screwed up a lot in the past? Yes. I obviously regret my behavior. (Or does that sound too cocky too?)
I get that some people see it as me having willfully driven off a cliff, but it's a result of my mental shortcomings and the environment I interacted with.
If y'all wanna give up on me, drop me like a stone, fine. But you can't do that AND take the moral high ground.

It's just so frustrating. Boyfriend is down in punishment, but only a week more. I don't want to talk or think about the case because it's completely pointless. I have a good lawyer (finally thanks to my pastor), I'm innocent of any wrongdoing and have all the evidence needed to prove it, but it is Mexico and it just doesn't matter. Yes, there is laws and everything, but the thing almost nobody seems to get is that it's MEXICO and it doesn't matter what the law says. I'm here only because somebody paid to put me here.
I can send whomever wants it the whole case file and you can study it all day all night like I did, but it's MEXICO it doesn't matter.

There's ways to get me money through MoneyGram, Western Union, bank transfers (to Mexico, or Netherlands) , cash deposits in Mexico, the OXXO app if you want. Just send me an email, I can't just drop mafia accounts online you know.

I don't think anybody owes me anything. I stupidly stood up for the MAP community thinking I had to to save my own skin. Just an obsessive thought that got printed in my head and controlled my life for a decade after a comment from a guy I was obsessed with. I'm not even a MAP. I'll gladly explain everything, but it's complex and I've been working on that memoir for more than two years now, I hope it's done in another year.

I'm underweight, have shit chance at a real trial... No, nobody owes me anything. They never did. Everybody can just lay back again and watch me burn. While burning I'll be watching you and wondering how you can. I sure can't lay back and watch others suffer. That's probably the main reason I keep falling into traps here. I can't watch people turning in to animals or pests.

Now you're mad that I'm judging you... well, haven't you been judging me for all this time? I'm only human and I tried. I fucked up. I get it. So now I'm human trash? For what I did? For what I do to survive? Shit man, I never committed a crime.
I didn't go here out of my own "free will". I panick, I fled. And got stuck waiting for a savior in a Mexican bathhouse. Then Ballard called offering a bag of money because he was such a supporter. I had been waiting for that supporter for a decade. And when it came it turned out to be a conspiracy.

This message is probably just my latest self-destructive effort, but who cares. It seems like my sheer existence is an attempt to self destruct. No matter what I do or don't it's always the wrong thing according to everybody. Well, fine, I'm a useless person that doesn't know how to safe himself. I admit that. I CAN'T safe myself. I'm just gasping through a straw for air waiting for help. You're judging what I am or ain't doing. But no matter what I myself do, I can't safe me.

The "Help Nelson Campaigns" are a fruitless endeavor anyway. No matter if I use money for food, medication, safety... It's always a waste, right?

Fuck, I need to stop writing... next week Sunday I'll see my boyfriend again. Everything will feel better.

[Dean]

Yesterday Nelson got jumped by two paid thugs. From what I now understand he received two heavy punches and was left bleeding severely from the face. He himself has said that the pain is manageable, but that he's psychologically suffering a lot and hasn't been able to sleep yet.
Yesterday his message was not to worry, but a message send from a third party from the same number (other inmate) let me know the situation was very bad and after Nelson opened up a little.
The thugs have been arrested, but with that the threat hasn't been resolved. He's still being followed and constantly has to watch his back.
He doesn't have access to medication for a lack of funds, he doesn't have enough for food and with this latest incident Nelson may be at risk to take a turn for the worse. He's getting more and more underweight and doesn't seem to be able to recover.

I wished thoughts and prayers helped, but he's in desperate need for some real help.

Dean


P.S. I just want to say that 'Anonymous Lover' is completely making up his 'facts' in this topic.