Page 1 of 2
We must respond aggressively to the backward narrative of 'victims'
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2026 2:29 pm
by BLueRibbon
When discussing any MAP-related issue, it surely won’t be long before a 'victim of abuse' steps in to ‘set the record straight’. They will inevitably use their experience to condemn a very broad range of feelings and actions, whether or not that experience is in any way applicable. In this article, I’ll be doing a massive no-no by arguing that they are way out of line, and that rather than them being silenced as they might claim, their voices are in fact too loud and distorted.
https://www.brianribbon.com/home/we-mus ... of-victims
Re: We must respond aggressively to the backward narrative of 'victims'
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2026 7:25 pm
by OnionPetal
When discussing any MAP-related issue, it surely won’t be long before a 'victim of abuse' steps in to ‘set the record straight’.
And their main strategy usually hinges on the kind of stereotyping that would never be tolerated for other demographics.
'We need to set the record straight on car-jackings by a GAY MEN, and the trauma that GAY MEN cause when they car-jack.' (Or substitute in any other demographic for 'gay men' to see how offensive it would be).
But of course they have no problem blaming
all MAPs for their 'trauma.'
My claim that “minors can consent” is not a case of me "refusing to educate" myself.
This one is kind of a 'gotcha.'
Legally, minors can't consent. So when you argue that they can, the half-wits think they've 'totally owned' you on a legal technicality, without ever considering the mental capacity of a minor in a hypothetical situation where they legally
could make their own choices. (Engaging with hypotheticals is something of a challenge to the average mid-wit).
Victims are silenced and ignored, while pedophiles and child sexual abuse are celebrated
This is such an obvious falsehood... do we even need to 'debunk' it? OK, here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_l ... _sentences
Sex-related crimes against minors are consistently among the longest prison sentences ever on record in the west. Clearly child sex abuse is not 'celebrated,' and the person making such claim should be discredited as either a liar or an idiot.
I ultimately ask the question nobody else dares.
I won't spoil it here, because I want people to read the article, but it's a very strong argument.
Re: We must respond aggressively to the backward narrative of 'victims'
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2026 9:48 pm
by GL_in_Lyrics
I agree, totally.
And a lot of "Victims" need to.... GET OVER IT!
Re: We must respond aggressively to the backward narrative of 'victims'
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2026 3:45 am
by BLueRibbon
This 'victim' is insane:
https://substack.com/@flyinghorserider/note/c-301303710
https://substack.com/@flyinghorserider/note/c-301601454
And her friends mass-reported my Substack account to get it deleted, while her threats were preserved. Amazing stuff!
All I posted were short one or two-liners defending myself and asking why the outraged thought I was grooming and molesting children.
Re: We must respond aggressively to the backward narrative of 'victims'
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2026 7:51 pm
by OnionPetal
BLueRibbon wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2026 3:45 am
This 'victim' is insane:
Unquestionably.
First, she has this adamant view that
'attraction' equals
'violent force.' Well, only when someone is a MAP, inexplicably.
Second, she has this
need for you to be a 'dangerous criminal,' to conform with her bias. She
wants you to be 'dangerous,' to justify her worldview and her hatred.
Then, to
"protect
" children from her false stereotype of MAPs, she calls for the violent sexual assault of MAPs by having
'their organs extracted forcefully.' Because what better way to prevent the sexual assault of innocent people than by... the sexual assault of
more innocent people!
Since she encourages the violence and killing of innocent people based on a false stereotype, it's clear that
she is the real danger to young people and society at large.
Re: We must respond aggressively to the backward narrative of 'victims'
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2026 4:43 pm
by BLueRibbon
OnionPetal wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2026 7:51 pm
BLueRibbon wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2026 3:45 am
This 'victim' is insane:
Unquestionably.
First, she has this adamant view that
'attraction' equals
'violent force.' Well, only when someone is a MAP, inexplicably.
Second, she has this
need for you to be a 'dangerous criminal,' to conform with her bias. She
wants you to be 'dangerous,' to justify her worldview and her hatred.
Then, to
"protect
" children from her false stereotype of MAPs, she calls for the violent sexual assault of MAPs by having
'their organs extracted forcefully.' Because what better way to prevent the sexual assault of innocent people than by... the sexual assault of
more innocent people!
Since she encourages the violence and killing of innocent people based on a false stereotype, it's clear that
she is the real danger to young people and society at large.
Luckily I can still log into the suspended account and see my old posts, so I have screenshots with context. Article coming soon...
Re: We must respond aggressively to the backward narrative of 'victims'
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2026 8:02 am
by DANAT4T
GL_in_Lyrics wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2026 9:48 pm
I agree, totally.
And a lot of "Victims" need to.... GET OVER IT!
Absolutely. 100% agree.
Re: We must respond aggressively to the backward narrative of 'victims'
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2026 1:56 pm
by aeterna91
Using the "victim" label to wish death upon MAP members who are not harming anyone is unjustifiable, and those people deserve a response proportional to the violence they promote.
In all other cases, however, challenging the “victim” narrative can be done with empathy and understanding. It's important to share the works of Constantine, Rind, and Susan Clancy, which demonstrate how the intervention of authorities and medical professionals is a significant factor—in many cases the primary one, and in some cases even the only one—in causing suffering to minors who have had some form of sexual contact with adults.
For all those people, you can never approach the issue with mockery—like, "Hey, I don't care if you feel traumatized, lol"—but rather with understanding, like, "I'm truly sorry you feel traumatized; no one should have to go through that. Have you considered that intervention by the authorities and social pressure are the main reasons you feel traumatized, and that in a world that wasn't so fixated on criminalizing sex, the sexual contact you had with an adult wouldn't have caused you any suffering? Have you thought that the people who say they want to protect children are actually just making them suffer?"
Re: We must respond aggressively to the backward narrative of 'victims'
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2026 11:31 pm
by Scorchingwilde
aeterna91 wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2026 1:56 pm
Using the "victim" label to wish death upon MAP members who are not harming anyone is unjustifiable, and those people deserve a response proportional to the violence they promote.
In all other cases, however, challenging the “victim” narrative can be done with empathy and understanding. It's important to share the works of Constantine, Rind, and Susan Clancy, which demonstrate how the intervention of authorities and medical professionals is a significant factor—in many cases the primary one, and in some cases even the only one—in causing suffering to minors who have had some form of sexual contact with adults.
For all those people, you can never approach the issue with mockery—like, "Hey, I don't care if you feel traumatized, lol"—but rather with understanding, like, "I'm truly sorry you feel traumatized; no one should have to go through that. Have you considered that intervention by the authorities and social pressure are the main reasons you feel traumatized, and that in a world that wasn't so fixated on criminalizing sex, the sexual contact you had with an adult wouldn't have caused you any suffering? Have you thought that the people who say they want to protect children are actually just making them suffer?"
To add on that last point, it's also important to make room for people forced or coerced into sex they didn't want who happened to be a minor at the time, who deal with a similar trauma to adult victims of rape and domestic violence. For some they might be traumatized also because the only partners they could find were abusive in other ways or bigoted towards them, especially gay boys in homophobic towns and transgender kids pretty much everywhere. It's important that those people encounter representations of healthy adult/minor or minor/minor sex and relationships, instead of only having their confirmation bias reinforced by media amplifying truly horrific stories or publishing outright false ones. I wonder if that's why PIM laws have expanded to include ever-more abstract forms of representation over the past several decades in many countries, because on the grounds of expression and speech antis can't win.
Re: We must respond aggressively to the backward narrative of 'victims'
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2026 3:21 am
by BLueRibbon
aeterna91 wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2026 1:56 pm
Using the "victim" label to wish death upon MAP members who are not harming anyone is unjustifiable, and those people deserve a response proportional to the violence they promote.
We are currently discussing the possibility of a Threat Tracker sub-forum, where we could collect information on people posting such comments. Many of our detractors also post hateful or threatening content toward non-MAPs, which can be forwarded to their victims, employers, or law enforcement. In fact, I have already started doing this with people who made death threats toward me.