English podcast on German postwar pedophile apologetics, the Left and Kentler

[Jim Burton]

If anybody wants to listen to and summarize the main talking points, please do.

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behi ... embed=true

[Non Name]

Notes I took while listening, feel free to ask for clarifications if necessary:
Pro-paedophilia sentiments from post-war German generation a result of "breaking the glass" of the Nazi generation which is sometimes necessary but can also lead to kids getting cut from broken glass.
Helmut Kentler "objectively nuts"
Kentler's generations' crimes indirectly compared to the Holocaust.
Talks about Kentler's authoritarian father, garnering "empathy"
Talks about Kentler's work in emancipatory youth work, smears adult youthlibs as potential predators
Distinguishes between conservative sexual repression and Nazi sexual repression
Talks about Kentler's "mainstream queer experience", "annoying how empathetic he is"
Sexual repression leads to Nazism, sexual liberation is the answer (talks about how Kentler is an academic leftist)
Talks about Wilhelm Reich, don't demonise him but call him somewhat of a crank
Praises Reich as "way ahead of his time"
Frames sexual liberation including children as really fucking bad
Talks about Reich's books being burned in the USA
Talks about true sexual liberation being common on the post-war German left
Talks about the experimental day cares
Says it was a paedophile psyop of the left "injecting their sexuality into politics", tbf somewhat more nuanced as they point out homosexuality is also not inherently politically revolutionary and admit the paedophiles were sincerely leftist
Talks about the German Green Party recommending to abolish the consent
Whines about current American age of marriage
Describes German progressives as either dumb or naive
Talks about giving porn to children as being problematic
Tbf argue against using the child sex trafficking victim label in this context, use child prostitute (although only for technical reasons, regard all adult-child sexual interactions as rape regardless)
Demonises Kentler for supporting a mutually beneficial adult-child sexual relationship
Refers to paedophiles as "abusers"
Sadistic murder fantasies of paedophiles associated with Kentler expressed
Admit they have no good argument for not having sex with children and brag about being dogmatic in this belief
Describes Kentler as being Nazi-level evil

[Jim Burton]

Thanks, so these are some kind of American "Rationalists" who produce cope for imbibing all the America-tier moral brainwashing?

Did you go over part 2?

[Non Name]

Wasnae aware that part 2 existed, my bad. Here's my notes on part 2 then:
Child sexual liberation not true sexual liberation (lol)
1% of human population are paedophiles (nothing exact sourced)
Kentler's foster programme motivated by ideology, not necessarily sexual attraction
Commune 2 talked about, child sexual liberation experimentation
Talks about an influential leftist magazine publishing what would be called "child porn" today (pictures of Commune 2 children nude)
Commune 2 not isolated, it was so successful it was followed up on
Advocates for "safe intimacy" (sex bad guys!)
Parents who were pro-sexuality are "very dumb"
Communes were good except for sex part (of course)
Talks a lot about the communes
Talks about AfD exploiting scandal for popularity, this is described as "fair" by self-described left-anarchists
Talks about the Green Party being based until the 1980s due to backlash
Talks about the paedosexual movement in Germany, and its leftist supporters
Mentions Hakim Bey
Adult-child sex inherently violent
End of child sex liberation movement in the mid 1990s due to backlash
Feminists most responsible for backlash
Talks about "Marco", "best documented victim of Kentler's programs"
Helmut Kentler respected contemporary academic
Fantasising about killing paedophiles
Kentler still respected into 2001
Kentler dies in 2008, still has supporters in government
AfD uses Marco as a poster-child for far-right activism against sex-ed in 2018
AfD tries to push Marco too much, causing Marco to reject AfD
Paedophilia compared to slavery
Still more whining about American "child" marriage

[Jim Burton]

https://www.bishop-accountability.org/n ... HowThe.htm

[Kierkegaard]

It blows my mind how based Germany and the Netherlands were in the 60's and 70's after the sexual revolution. They're almost just as bad as the US now, but back then they were practically paradise for MAPs. Legal commercial CP magazines, very positive and relaxed attitude towards child sexuality and nudity, relative acceptance of pederasty(at least to the same extent adult homosexuality was accepted), etc

I still hope someday soon we'll get a second sexual revolution and they'll swing back around to being hotspots for MAP liberation. I'm not getting my hopes up though, the love the EU has for surveillance state think-of-the-children moral panic bullshit these days is absurd.

[johnnydoe12345]

What was so bad about it to these people? The boys were given love and were cared for, no? I doubt they were reported to have felt negatively about it UNLESS outside influence told them it was 'abuse'

[johnnydoe12345]

It blows my mind how based Germany and the Netherlands were in the 60's and 70's after the sexual revolution. They're almost just as bad as the US now, but back then they were practically paradise for MAPs. Legal commercial CP magazines, very positive and relaxed attitude towards child sexuality and nudity, relative acceptance of pederasty(at least to the same extent adult homosexuality was accepted), etc

I still hope someday soon we'll get a second sexual revolution and they'll swing back around to being hotspots for MAP liberation. I'm not getting my hopes up though, the love the EU has for surveillance state think-of-the-children moral panic bullshit these days is absurd.

Isn't it strange how the wider lgbt community turned their backs on maps all of a sudden. Because during the sexual revolution period there was an alliance for some time. The only reason 'gays against groomers' and all that came about was to appease to a heteronormative world.

Really though, I think there is a chance that maps will be accepted in the future. Unfortunately it'll start with 'theyre humans, they do bad things but dont deserve life locked up / the death penalty' but I wholeheartedly think that after humanising us, some people will start to think 'hang on, why is it ok to ask maps to repress their desire when it is cruel to expect a gay person to forever not engage another man? Is it not just repackaged hate the sin not the sinner BS?'
Maybe the image will change too now that people know adults who engage with children are not usually scary weird strangers, it tends to be family and close adults in the child's life. And its now known that its not usually violent, and its not always penetration when it comes to toddlers and younger kids (though im a firm believer that penetration of prepubescent children including the lower end of the age range should be decriminalised. That might take more time for wider society to accept but hopefully we do get to that point)