Legalizing CP the right way
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2026 9:40 pm
reader's note - This follows up from previous post where I showed evidence the hormone oxytocin promotes tribalism and insist that anti pedophilia is tied to child protection traits favored by evolution / natural selection. Zarkle argue's the West needs to adopt the anti CSAM model of Asian Countries/East Europe. In those countries while exceptions exist they mostly only criminalize graphic images and contact sex with kids, while the United States and West Europe expand boundaries significantly and criminalize non lewd social media, retail and STOCK PHOTOS of kids in swimwear/underwear. I cite personal experience of international police removing zip files of non-lewd social media kids someone posted on a girl loverboard
Previous post in reference
https://forum.map-union.org/viewtopic.php?p=24602
https://forum.map-union.org/viewtopic.php?p=24480
https://forum.map-union.org/viewtopic.php?p=22345
This post is also a lose follow up to the US Federal appeals court last month suggesting the possibility that private AI CP should not be illegal to possess. Currently in this political climate I do not believe laws like this should take be removed or heavily modified yet because the hysteria needs to die and the public needs a simplified education on disgust, oxytocin, intergroup hostility, coalition psychology and how the brain's fear/panic system works. These things should be taught in sex education courses because its impossible to understand human sexuality without understanding the basics of how our brains process disgust Taking down these laws too earlier without mass education will result in more moral hysteria about "satanic pedo elite" controlling the world. Pro pedo activism needs to be a slow educational process where antis who want to brutally kill and flay us reason their way out of viciously merciless hate. As in example right now there is extreme hysteria around the US federal courts is suggesting AI CSAM should be legal in private, probably due to overstress on ICAC agencies. I agree it should be legal in private too, but right now is way to early without setting the ground work, paving the way for future debates.
If I had a magical wand to choose between two things
1) Educate the average American and Brit on how oxytocin the parental-child bonding hormone largely contributes to a chain of neurological events evoking disgust emotions at threats. Robert Sapolsky's basic takes on evolutionary mismatch theory. Charmaine Borg's research how our brains fill with disgust at all undesired sexual stimuli. Paul Rozin's law of contagion principle and how it applies to both cleaned sewage water and sex offender registrants, and Jonathan Hadit's Moral Foundation theory and research on how humans build social alliances on what they find disgusting and how disgust promotes black and white thinking turning complex moral questions into simple right vs wrong binaries.
or
2) legalize all child porn now! INSTANT REWARD!!
I'd go with choice one every time because immediate gratification would backfire enormously and NOT give us the long term cultural change of reasoning normies out of anti pedo bigotry. Instant gratification isn't even a possibility anyway. So its not like we have a choice, and option 3) of Focaultian leftism failed in the 90s, so don't even think about going down the NAMBLA, Focault, Harry Hay route. Queer Theorist and gay Marxist movements tried to normalize pedophilia in the 90s and failed spectacular - NewGon wiki glorifies a past pedo normalization attempt that failed.
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In Zarkle's future where the public is properly educated and reason and neuroscience beats hysteria - the age of consent should be lowered to the start of puberty. In said future repurposed swimwear photos and social media photos as well as child modeling and self generated lewd photos should be 100% legal to possess, distribute and produce ethically as long as there is no black mail or deceit. Their AI counterparts should be legal as well as long as they weren't made of someone without permission shared in public.
Though I am not no limits. I believe in limited cases distribution and production should be illegal and dealt with by future ICAC agencies. I think it should still be illegal to distribute or produce 1) hardcore CP of children below puberty or 2) children being coerced/sextortion 3) children filmed lewd unaware like long stick camera upskirts 4) children modified by AI to be lewd and shared in public. Including AI hardcore CP or AI sadism
But my most important point is I believe all digital media should be legal to view and make in private no matter what it depicts as long as it is not shared with anyone and kept discrete to best of ones ability. Perhaps cops can make an incentive to report prepubescent rape media . Only criminalizing adult child sex media is similar to how Asian countries and East Europe already do things. Asian countries do not put billions of dollars into ICAC. They have ICAC agencies but they mostly focus on criminalizing adult child sex images and real non weasel defined trafficking, not borderline stuff like US UK. While exceptions exist those countries don't give a fuck about dancing underwear girls. Meanwhile , I have direct evidence from a girl lover image board of people hosting 100s of images of non lewd clothed social media girl zip/rar file archives on external websites being removed in a day or two after posted, and also what Brian Ribbon talked about non lewd kid images on NewGon being reported 200 times.
We know for a fact Western countries mass report, monitor and remove and criminalize non lewd photos of kids. If they switched to a model of only going after the worst stuff they'd save billions of dollars.
So what do you think about the zarkle future society stance. I'll list it simply again
1) Everything is legal to view in private as long as its not distributed or produced. Police incentivize reporting hardcore of prepubescents
2) Bikini, Underwear and nude posing of prepubescents is legal to produce and distribute as long as its not private filming (camera stick upskirt invasion) or coercion
3) Hard core CP is only legal to produce and distribute for humans after puberty.
4) Prepubescents having sex with adults is still illegal even if it appears consensual because without hormones they can't comprehend the arousal
5) International police only go after the worst stuff like sextortion and rape and real trafficking and ignore social media zip files or swimwear websites
6) Public posting of hardcore AI of prepubescents illegal if it looks like the real thing because it can confuse investigators, but if its abstract 3d modellish its allowed
The feminist and conservative reaction to the US Federal appeals court claiming protection of AI media in private is NOT a win, a win is when we get the public to understand neuroscience and reason its way out of this. If I can put a feminist supporting an AoC of 25 or a conservative Christian man who believes in wood chipper/no mercy in a scenario where he or she is figuratively forced to think about the neuroscience of disgust, the logical implications of oxytocin promoting tribal thinking or the fact that mice's brain flood with engagement and reward chemicals when successfully finding and securing their young in a experiment shows the old world is truly dissolving. If you can put antis in a scenario where they actually are forced to think about neuroscience , disgust reflexes and stuff I wrote in the "magical wand section 1) the world will change because antis can reason their way out of this.
The final thing I'll say that I have elaborated on before is I think its completely reasonable that a future supreme court decades from now could argue that laws based on disgust reflexes are no different then laws based on on religious conviction, if we can show the neuroscience of disgust being a very powerful influence on human behavior and most CSAM laws get struck down as anti constitutional. That is the radical future I imagine. We have to make a clear and convincing case that disgust and child protection traits inherited from natural selection are a garbage tier moral guide.
In this thread you can talk about how you think CP should be legalized and regulated. Here are videos discussing the science of disgust for easily digestible knowledge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0_2LtC3YSM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqcn2L-g3zo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BavY9XqOrKA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HELYABFjtJs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc-66fhErHU
Previous post in reference
https://forum.map-union.org/viewtopic.php?p=24602
https://forum.map-union.org/viewtopic.php?p=24480
https://forum.map-union.org/viewtopic.php?p=22345
This post is also a lose follow up to the US Federal appeals court last month suggesting the possibility that private AI CP should not be illegal to possess. Currently in this political climate I do not believe laws like this should take be removed or heavily modified yet because the hysteria needs to die and the public needs a simplified education on disgust, oxytocin, intergroup hostility, coalition psychology and how the brain's fear/panic system works. These things should be taught in sex education courses because its impossible to understand human sexuality without understanding the basics of how our brains process disgust Taking down these laws too earlier without mass education will result in more moral hysteria about "satanic pedo elite" controlling the world. Pro pedo activism needs to be a slow educational process where antis who want to brutally kill and flay us reason their way out of viciously merciless hate. As in example right now there is extreme hysteria around the US federal courts is suggesting AI CSAM should be legal in private, probably due to overstress on ICAC agencies. I agree it should be legal in private too, but right now is way to early without setting the ground work, paving the way for future debates.
If I had a magical wand to choose between two things
1) Educate the average American and Brit on how oxytocin the parental-child bonding hormone largely contributes to a chain of neurological events evoking disgust emotions at threats. Robert Sapolsky's basic takes on evolutionary mismatch theory. Charmaine Borg's research how our brains fill with disgust at all undesired sexual stimuli. Paul Rozin's law of contagion principle and how it applies to both cleaned sewage water and sex offender registrants, and Jonathan Hadit's Moral Foundation theory and research on how humans build social alliances on what they find disgusting and how disgust promotes black and white thinking turning complex moral questions into simple right vs wrong binaries.
or
2) legalize all child porn now! INSTANT REWARD!!
I'd go with choice one every time because immediate gratification would backfire enormously and NOT give us the long term cultural change of reasoning normies out of anti pedo bigotry. Instant gratification isn't even a possibility anyway. So its not like we have a choice, and option 3) of Focaultian leftism failed in the 90s, so don't even think about going down the NAMBLA, Focault, Harry Hay route. Queer Theorist and gay Marxist movements tried to normalize pedophilia in the 90s and failed spectacular - NewGon wiki glorifies a past pedo normalization attempt that failed.
-
In Zarkle's future where the public is properly educated and reason and neuroscience beats hysteria - the age of consent should be lowered to the start of puberty. In said future repurposed swimwear photos and social media photos as well as child modeling and self generated lewd photos should be 100% legal to possess, distribute and produce ethically as long as there is no black mail or deceit. Their AI counterparts should be legal as well as long as they weren't made of someone without permission shared in public.
Though I am not no limits. I believe in limited cases distribution and production should be illegal and dealt with by future ICAC agencies. I think it should still be illegal to distribute or produce 1) hardcore CP of children below puberty or 2) children being coerced/sextortion 3) children filmed lewd unaware like long stick camera upskirts 4) children modified by AI to be lewd and shared in public. Including AI hardcore CP or AI sadism
But my most important point is I believe all digital media should be legal to view and make in private no matter what it depicts as long as it is not shared with anyone and kept discrete to best of ones ability. Perhaps cops can make an incentive to report prepubescent rape media . Only criminalizing adult child sex media is similar to how Asian countries and East Europe already do things. Asian countries do not put billions of dollars into ICAC. They have ICAC agencies but they mostly focus on criminalizing adult child sex images and real non weasel defined trafficking, not borderline stuff like US UK. While exceptions exist those countries don't give a fuck about dancing underwear girls. Meanwhile , I have direct evidence from a girl lover image board of people hosting 100s of images of non lewd clothed social media girl zip/rar file archives on external websites being removed in a day or two after posted, and also what Brian Ribbon talked about non lewd kid images on NewGon being reported 200 times.
We know for a fact Western countries mass report, monitor and remove and criminalize non lewd photos of kids. If they switched to a model of only going after the worst stuff they'd save billions of dollars.
So what do you think about the zarkle future society stance. I'll list it simply again
1) Everything is legal to view in private as long as its not distributed or produced. Police incentivize reporting hardcore of prepubescents
2) Bikini, Underwear and nude posing of prepubescents is legal to produce and distribute as long as its not private filming (camera stick upskirt invasion) or coercion
3) Hard core CP is only legal to produce and distribute for humans after puberty.
4) Prepubescents having sex with adults is still illegal even if it appears consensual because without hormones they can't comprehend the arousal
5) International police only go after the worst stuff like sextortion and rape and real trafficking and ignore social media zip files or swimwear websites
6) Public posting of hardcore AI of prepubescents illegal if it looks like the real thing because it can confuse investigators, but if its abstract 3d modellish its allowed
The feminist and conservative reaction to the US Federal appeals court claiming protection of AI media in private is NOT a win, a win is when we get the public to understand neuroscience and reason its way out of this. If I can put a feminist supporting an AoC of 25 or a conservative Christian man who believes in wood chipper/no mercy in a scenario where he or she is figuratively forced to think about the neuroscience of disgust, the logical implications of oxytocin promoting tribal thinking or the fact that mice's brain flood with engagement and reward chemicals when successfully finding and securing their young in a experiment shows the old world is truly dissolving. If you can put antis in a scenario where they actually are forced to think about neuroscience , disgust reflexes and stuff I wrote in the "magical wand section 1) the world will change because antis can reason their way out of this.
The final thing I'll say that I have elaborated on before is I think its completely reasonable that a future supreme court decades from now could argue that laws based on disgust reflexes are no different then laws based on on religious conviction, if we can show the neuroscience of disgust being a very powerful influence on human behavior and most CSAM laws get struck down as anti constitutional. That is the radical future I imagine. We have to make a clear and convincing case that disgust and child protection traits inherited from natural selection are a garbage tier moral guide.
In this thread you can talk about how you think CP should be legalized and regulated. Here are videos discussing the science of disgust for easily digestible knowledge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0_2LtC3YSM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqcn2L-g3zo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BavY9XqOrKA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HELYABFjtJs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc-66fhErHU