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Honestly after reading all of this, this was kind of mute to me. Every interaction can be harmful, and everything has risks. It's not the sexual interactions themselves that are harmful, it's the nature of those sexual interactions, i.e. abuse. That is not some opinion of mine, but that is an observable fact through all of the sexual abuse testimonies, positive testimonies where there was no abuse involved besides getting potentially harmed from artificial fabrications of society, and pure logic. The people who keep asking "where is the research?" ironically points to the same observational fact the I've already said. All these people keep trying to come up with all these possible theories as of why child/adult sexual interactions may be too harmful and risky therefore should not be engaged while not realizing the observable evidence/facts that are right in front of their faces through all of the abuse and non-abusive testimonies, the very research they rely on, and the logic of realizing how backwards and hypocritical it is to be fine with children having sexual feelings and desires for each other and engaging in that, but to turn around and bash the adult who reciprocates those same feelings back and call him a monster; that is just pure hypocrisy no matter where you stand on this subject matter. Period.

Fragment wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:55 am

You can additionally easily find victim impact statements made by CSA survivors, many of whom admit to initially not understanding what was going on fully and enjoying it at first until they later realized that they were being taken advantage of.

What do you think of this claim though?

Some people see there a problem in knowing which cases are actually abuse, or that cases that don’t seem like abuse at the time actually are abusive. Antis would claim that in fact all cases count as some kind of abuse, though I haven’t met many MAPs willing to make such a strong claim.

It really depends on the situation and not really much of a problem in knowing which cases were actually abusive. The cases that didn't seem like abuse to people at the time but now they see it as abusive can be separated into two categories to know which ones are actually abusive: the ones that didn't ask/want the interaction being done to them but conceded anyway due to adult authority, didn't understand what was going on, felt good physically and developed sexual feelings and desires for other people whether that be adults or their own peers and felt guilt and shame for it as a result which is abusive by the way, or the ones that wanted to explore the sexual feelings and desires that they had with the adult intervening despite not fully understanding the full ramifications of sexual activity, felt good physically and emotionally, didn't see a problem with it at all, felt what they experience was a bit strange by understanding the societal cues of not seeing those kinds of relationships, talk to other people about it, and felt bad afterwords by being told by society that what they went through was abuse. That is how you can separate 99.9% of those kind of impact statements and can clearly see that the relationships between an adult and a minor, say twelve years old, had a positive relationship where there was sex involved where they both enjoyed it, but being told by society that what she went through was bad as she got older by talking to other people about it of how strange it was despite it being positive. I almost forgot, but the one thing I wanted to add and this ties into the informed consent thing is that the people who were traumatized by sexual experiences that they had with an adult that was perceived as positive at the time, and didn't have the foreknowledge of the possible consequences of sexual activity and got pregnant or catched std's as a result, felt betrayed, used, taken advantage of after finding out that the partner that she thought she loved didn't have a care in the world on what may have happened to her and only saw it as an opportunity to get his rocks off to a horny young girl that he used as a rag. In this situation, she felt like she was used as a rag and that is one of the types of situations that are actually exploitive and makes up most of the CSA testimonies. I can go on, but that would be little too much for now. But having all this understanding in mind, you can easily parse together what was and what wasn't abuse by understanding the nature/situation of the interaction.