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Fuck effortposting. It doesn't matter bc none of the people in this movement read. Libtards on tik tok are advocating using Aqua Tofana, a deadly poison of italian origin made using Belladonna and Arsenic to poison their boyfriends, husbands, unsuspecting Trump supporters etc.

You think your going to be able to talk reasonably with the tiny minority of nice feminist ladies who might agree with you on the police state, the sex registry, and who are even against age of consent? Lol, lmao even. Sorry Chud, but real feminism is about hating men now not the pseudo-intellectual gobbledy-gook that Butler and Paglia spill out. It's about how women's dating problems are DEEPLY POLITICAL and society needs to change to accommodate that. And if your against that? Then your a fascist chudlet who voted for Trump.

1.3 million women liked a post advocating the use of Aqua Tofana to poison men. Maybe you could argue that popular social media feminism is like a dying animal and its lashing out after the results of Trump's election but then again feminist activism exploded during the first Trump admin between pussy hats and #MeToo. Between #MeToo and boomercon Qanon things weren't very good for men, much less pedocels, even though in theory his election gives people the license to break certain taboos.

Women have discovered MGTOW but in the form of the 4B movement. The difference between the 4B movement and MGTOW? The media is immediately blowing it up and giving it all kinds of favorable coverage and whereas they did not do that with MGTOW and were very much against it.

Foids on tik tok are rocking out to "Dead Men Don't Rape" wanna see the lyrics that's in the section of the song clipped:

Oh, I wanna scream, scream 'til I break
They say I'm overreacting
But how can I smile, put on a face
When all my sisters are dying?
But free are the rapists, child molesters walking round, tasting their freedom
Because of the system, no more abortions
And fuck all the children that need them

Child molestors walking around...hmmm... you know who that kinda sounds like? You! You're the target lol

Moderate MAPs have been kinda silent lately, particularly on the topic of feminism and I think I know why. You aren't going to be able to argue with this. You can't negotiate or vote your way out of this.

The MAP movement needs to be talking about strategies to deradicalize women on social media or at least subvert feminism in a sex positive pro-pedo direction. See this book on how 60s feminism was subverted and produced a temporary oasis for men known as the 1970s that has been demonized by every bourgeois libtard since:
https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=21 ... 049066C270

https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1855428375734841575

Again, don't be fooled by the fact that Trump won. They may have control of the government now but he has a very narrow majority. The MAP movement needs a contingency plan if its serious at all. Trump isn't going to give divorced 50 year olds who voted for him 24 year old goth girlfriends; if anything the United States lunged pretty far to the left culturally under Trump, whereas Biden's last two years in office were culturally conservative compared to the Trump years.

Again, don't be fooled by the fact that anti-registry, anti-police state, anti-sexceptionalist and anti-aoc feminists have existed and still exist (the latter mostly in tiny numbers outside Germany). Its very easy for intellectuals to fool themselves because they do the reading. In reality, most of the slop you see on social media that calls itself feminist is just women bitching about their dating situation or hating their dad. Ever since gamergate the mainstream of feminist messaging online has been about hating men and disparaging them, its been unironically misandrist. Even many leftists are no longer denying it because they want to get back into power and its impossible without young male voters or footsoldiers. Seriously. No Democratic president has ever won with less than 58% of the youth vote. And ofc any actual revolution requires a hardcore contingent of young male functioning as a paramilitary that can seize the centers of power.

As a recent twitter post wrote in response to a tweet that asked leftists what they thought that could be considered woke that's actually bad replied: "making 'kill all men' jokes online for years objectively alienated young men and pushed them to the right" except many of the people weren't actually joking. But regardless, some on the Left were either never comfortable with the progressive culture that evolved on tumblr/in the wake of gamergate or they have other priorities are of higher importance than pleasing insane harpies and want to come back to power.

As for the harpies, they are planning to poison men that don't agree with them, so there's that. We need to be talking about female deradicalization strategies. This type of stuff wouldn't be allowed on Chinese tik tok bc the CPC knows such harpies are corrosive for society. Its not even legal for a PLA enlisted man's girlfriend to cheat on him. Could such legislation be passed for Western enlisted men? lol lmao even. When even society's male "heroes" can't get a tiny crumb of social contract to keep himself from being cucked while literally fighting and dying for the Westoid world order you know that they aren't going to do anything for men. And MAP rights are a very male interest though not exclusively.

We need to deradicalize the harpies. We need a MAP version of Vaush deradicalizing women who have fallen down the alt-lib rabbit hole

Tell me more about deradicalizing. What do you suggest?

I am sorry, dude, I can't make heads and tails out of what you just said. And what do those acronyms stand for?

Lennon72 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:22 am I am sorry, dude, I can't make heads and tails out of what you just said. And what do those acronyms stand for?

He is saying that as time goes on, MAPs trying to appeal to feminists is going to be futile as modern feminism is mostly aimed at justifying casual misandry and other anti-social behaviour, making it unlikely for feminists to ever be sympathetic to any opinion contrary to theirs, and MAP liberation is one of them. At this point, pro-MAP feminism is a niche position. So his solution is to get MAPs to be more open towards appealing to young men who will likely lean rightwards than most MAPs are comfortable with.

As for the acronyms:

MAP = Minor-Attracted Person
aoc = Age of Consent
CPC = Communist Party of China
PLA = People's Liberation Army (i.e., China's main army)

As for his take, it makes sense in America and other parts of the anglosphere given how feminism there is pretty much a moralistic middle class phenomena occupied by rich women who will pretty much endorse a police state if it means getting rid of us and our sympathisers, given that they see adult-minor relationships as another form of female oppression.

Perhaps it's less applicable in continental Europe where some centrists/liberals and feminists might be more sympathetic with us, for example it was centrists who opposed the right-wing imposition of chemical castration as a punishment for child molestation in Italy.
But with the ongoing americanisation of European politics, I think that is going to be less true, for example the adoption of a legal definition of rape based on affirmative consent (which creates a legal grey area for sex where affirmative consent was absent) that was spearheaded by feminists and centrists was opposed only by the right-wing party of Janusz Korwin-Mikke.

Though spot indeed, since no side of the political aisles with any influence will help us at all.

Tell me more about deradicalizing. What do you suggest?

I know the question isn't aimed at me, but he did hint at leftist youtuber Vaush, on the basis that Vaush claims to have managed to turn alt-righters into alt-leftists with his content. It's questionable if Vaush ever managed to do that, but at any point one strategy would be to fight the "SJW-to-pedophobic radfem" with pro-MAP stuff that challenges radfems' pedophobia whilst co-opting some feminist messaging. Quite vague, but that's how I can put it to terms in the best way imaginable.

I mostly agree with this take. I'm indebted to the work of many authors who have in the past identified with the feminist movement but like I said on my twitter before it got nuked: "How many more qualifiers do we need to add to the word before we realize that the people who want us dead all share the same label?"

It is imperative that we reach out to the majority, the "heterosexual" males who are currently being radicalized by the right and to the females being radicalized by feminist rhetoric. I no longer believe that playing the minority politics game will lead to anything but self imposed isolation at the mercy of a niche segment of the political left.

Feminism has so much potential... I think the problem is that the first and second waves were about freedom, and the third and fourth waves were about security. Often, defending one means sacrificing the other; and today, in the pursuit of security, feminism is often opposed to freedom. But the cause of women's liberation is worthy of being defended in its own right, and is also entirely compatible with youth and MAP liberation. Hopefully the fifth wave will once again claim freedom. I think there is a chance that this will happen, especially since it seems that the fourth wave is making women suffer more than before, insisting that they are always victims and must suffer for being so.

By the way, I don't think a single woman is going to poison her partner for voting for Trump, but I agree that the way they're talking about it as a good idea is worrying.